Webinar Replay Video #75: Drug Clearinghouse New Rule II Effective 11-18-24

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Steve Kessler: Good afternoon, everybody! Welcome to the Infinit-I Workforce solutions Fast forward, Webinar Series.

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Steve Kessler: Appreciate y’all taking some time out to join us today.

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Steve Kessler: My name’s Steve Kessler, and I’ll be hosting the program today.

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Steve Kessler: I must tell you all we have a good program set up for today. We got a lot of questions. There’s a lot of

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Steve Kessler: people wanting to know a little bit more about the FMCSA. Drug clearing house. So that’ll be the subject of the of the program today, and with some specific information about a new rule. That’s, I believe, going into effect on November 18.th

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Steve Kessler: So, we’ll make sure we touch base on that. But we’ve got a nice program set up.

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Steve Kessler: I wanted to also introduce to you. Mark Ray. Mark has been a co-host of ours here on these webinars for quite a long period of time.

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Steve Kessler: Mark’s an industry veteran and helps us with a lot of things with his knowledge of the industry. Mark, what do you think about today’s program and topic?

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Mark Rhea: Well, it’s the timing couldn’t be better the clearing house. I know has had some.

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Mark Rhea: I guess communication challenges. Obviously, it was designed to help our industry with impaired driving which still contributes. It’s a top 4 contributor to fatalities and accidents. It’s a major issue.

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Mark Rhea: And just being able to understand how to

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Mark Rhea: administer and how to stay in compliance we need professionals like Alan. And we’re lucky to have him with us today, so

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Mark Rhea: he’s got a lot of information. If you got a second

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Mark Rhea: join, you know, throw us in the chat and tell us where you’re coming from. And

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Mark Rhea: and let’s get your notes out because we’ve got a lot of information to cover today.

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Steve Kessler: Sounds good. Thank you, Mark. Just a couple of housekeeping items here before we get started. Everyone that’s on the webinar is muted so we can’t hear you. So, as Mark said, if you want to ask a question or have a comment, feel free to type that in the chat box there. I see some of our good customers identifying themselves now.

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Steve Kessler: So just type it in the chat, or you can use the Q&A box that’s there. We’re going to try to take your questions at the end of the presentation. It just seems to work a little bit better that way.

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Steve Kessler: and we will try to keep the program to about an hour today. People ask me all the time about access to this. The webinar is being recorded. So, when the program is over, probably in the next day or 2 we’ll send everyone that registered and attended a link to the replay, so you can share it with some other people that weren’t able to attend today.

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Steve Kessler: So, without any delay, let me introduce our guest today. Our guest today is Alan Teichelman. He is the National Sales Manager for CMI drug testing

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Steve Kessler: CMI. As I understand it, Alan was one of the first. What do they call it a TPA

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Steve Kessler: so, they have been at this long time. Alan’s been better than 25 years in the alcohol and drug testing business.

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Steve Kessler: Alan began his career 1991 as general manager at

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Steve Kessler: a test

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Steve Kessler: drug testing in Fort Worth.

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Steve Kessler: There he focused on improving processes, customer satisfaction and profitability through acquisitions and organic growth.

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Steve Kessler: In 2014 he joined Fleet Screen that was later acquired by

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Steve Kessler: DISA global. DISA Global Solutions as national account manager

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Steve Kessler: working for Fleet Screen provided the opportunity to offer clients more services, such as post-accident, assistance.

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Steve Kessler: personalized consultation, advising on company policies and DOT regulations.

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Steve Kessler: In October of 2022, Alan joined CMI drug testing as their national sales manager.

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Steve Kessler: working with CMI sales staff and continuing to provide assistance to CMI drug testing clients. So, ladies and gentlemen, we have an expert in this field.

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Steve Kessler: Please welcome, Alan. Alan, take it away.

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Alan Teichelman: Good afternoon. Thank you, Steve and Mark.

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Alan Teichelman: I appreciate the opportunity to visit with everyone today.

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Alan Teichelman: Again, I’m with CMI Drug Testing. The corporate office is in San Antonio. I’m in the Fort Worth office. The purpose of the day is to discuss how we got here regarding the Clearinghouse. We’re going to discuss

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Alan Teichelman: testing non-negative testing results. We’re going to talk about marijuana at THC. And then again, the Clearing House Rule I and Rule II, which goes into effect on November 18th of this year. Next slide, please.

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Alan Teichelman: This A brief story. I don’t know if anybody’s familiar with the term 420

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Alan Teichelman: that started back in 1974, where a bunch of high school kids tried to find

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Alan Teichelman: marijuana in California. So, they met every day at 420. They lived in Marion County.

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Alan Teichelman: and so, the band called Grateful Dead, also moved to Marion County. At about that same time, they became friends, and the term of 420 in the afternoon became a term. Let’s go smoke marijuana. The

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Alan Teichelman: marijuana magazines, The Grateful Dead band use the terminology. So next slide

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Alan Teichelman: so

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Alan Teichelman: next slide, please.

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Alan Teichelman: So now, April 20th this year of each year is international Cannabis Day. It’s for the partakers of marijuana to celebrate, to use it, and hopefully to continue to try the process of legalizing marijuana.

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Alan Teichelman: So, if April 20th is it okay, let’s going to smoke marijuana

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Alan Teichelman: next slide, what is April 21st

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Alan Teichelman: National Surprise Drug Testing Day.

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Alan Teichelman: I’m not saying you. You do that, but

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Alan Teichelman: you know, if you know you have, somebody partakes in it on. If they’re going to celebrate on the 20th and maybe the 21st

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Alan Teichelman: might be a good day to do some random drug testing

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Alan Teichelman: next slide.

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Alan Teichelman: Oh.

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Alan Teichelman: legalization of cannabis United States per State. Let’s just go to the next slide, please.

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Alan Teichelman: This chart shows here. There’s roughly there are 24 States

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Alan Teichelman: plus, District of Columbia that have

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Alan Teichelman: legalized for adult recreational use that which is the dark green.

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Alan Teichelman: The green is for legal use, for medical use only. The lime is for low. THC.

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Alan Teichelman: medical use. And then the light orange is there’s it’s against the law for anything there.

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Alan Teichelman: So, a couple things about that is because

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Alan Teichelman: when the with the legalization of recreational use of marijuana.

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Alan Teichelman: you bring up. Okay, what about CBDs, the products, the gummies, the lotion, the oil

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Alan Teichelman: well, during that time frame is that you see it everywhere. The problem with it is, it’s not regulated.

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Alan Teichelman: So, you can have a product that says

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Alan Teichelman: I don’t. It doesn’t have any THC in it, but it might so I would recommend or just remind your

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Alan Teichelman: your drivers. A couple of things is, one is just because it’s legal in Colorado, the recreation use. It’s not acceptable in Texas, and it’s sure not acceptable with the.so anytime that you use the product

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Alan Teichelman: and you fail a drug test. You’re in trouble, because again, you think it was a recreational use. But it’s not legal with the United States. I know that this company here has a big program on CBDs. And I recommend that you do look it over and look at their program.

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Alan Teichelman: A couple things about this also, too, is that

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Alan Teichelman: I ring up on the updated thing. There are drivers that are now suing

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Alan Teichelman: the manufacturers of these CBD products, because, again, the label says there’s no THC in it, and they used it, and they failed the drug test. And now they’re suing the company, because again it didn’t list on the label.

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Alan Teichelman: Also, that goes back to again back to

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Alan Teichelman: a positive drug test that you use the product for medical reasons.

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Alan Teichelman: Under section 49 CFR Part 40.

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Alan Teichelman: A medical review officer, MRO. Cannot overturn a non-negative test result. So again, you’ve got a driver that you’re totally unaware

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Alan Teichelman: that they’re taking

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Alan Teichelman: marijuana for medical reasons. I mean, obviously, there’s studies saying, it’s for cancer, for post stress, post disorder, for seizures. There’s a lot of things that it’s considered being used for. But again.

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Alan Teichelman: once your driver is tested positive, and he goes to the MRI. Calls him up and says, hey, I’ve got medical clearance for this, it does not matter in the dot guidelines. So again, just remind your drivers

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Alan Teichelman: just because it’s legal, someplace for recreational milk use. It’s not legal for the dot FMCSA.

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Alan Teichelman: Next slide, please.

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Alan Teichelman: I’ll bring this up here just because of

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Alan Teichelman: everybody knows what the 5 panel is and what it what’s included. What I wanted to bring up. This is that we all hear about Fentanyl right now. It’s everywhere it talks about how bad it is, how danger it is under the current program the panel. It’s not being tested. So

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Alan Teichelman: there is discussion about in the future about adding it to it, and I think it will be added to it. But again, right now it’s not included in the panel.

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Alan Teichelman: Next slide, please.

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Alan Teichelman: Next slide

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Alan Teichelman: we’ll pass on that one.

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Steve Kessler: Okay.

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Alan Teichelman: This right here is I wanted to bring this one up because

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Alan Teichelman: they’re saying the records I have back from 2022, and 2023, showing that the top 4 things that are a non-negative test result have shown each year have decreased

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Alan Teichelman: a little bit. Obviously, marijuana.

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Alan Teichelman: cocaine, amphetamines, methamphetamines and amphetamines.

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Alan Teichelman: But the number of drug violations from 2022 to 2023 has increased. You can see that there, and the main reason for the increase, and it kind of skews these numbers is because the refusal rate

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Alan Teichelman: has increased

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Alan Teichelman: from almost 40%, so that 12,804 refusals to take a drug test.

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Alan Teichelman: We have no clue because they think there may test policy for marijuana, cocaine, or some other

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Alan Teichelman: other drugs. So again.

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Alan Teichelman: I don’t see any difference in changing the current situation where it’s 50% for drug and 10% for alcohol, just because the numbers are still increasing.

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Alan Teichelman: Also, a little bit about the Clearing House is that

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Alan Teichelman: the Clearinghouse was started on January 6th of 2020.

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Alan Teichelman: Every anything that happened before that date is not included in the Clearinghouse. If you find out as a as a

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Alan Teichelman: der, as a safety director, as owner, that something happened before that date

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Alan Teichelman: from one of your drivers that he was test that he was had a DWI.

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Alan Teichelman: You cannot add anything to the system. Basically, everybody starts from scratch on January 6th of 2020,

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Alan Teichelman: a couple things about that, as of through August of this year.

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Alan Teichelman: there are 480,000 employers. There are 230,000 owner operators. There’s over 5 million

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Alan Teichelman: drivers

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Alan Teichelman: that have registered to the Clearinghouse.

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Alan Teichelman: Also, there’s about since 2020. There’s been 230,000 drug or alcohol violations

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Alan Teichelman: of the of that CDL or CLL

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Alan Teichelman: drivers. There’s still a hundred 77,000

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Alan Teichelman: that are prohibited

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Alan Teichelman: of driving through the Clearinghouse.

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Alan Teichelman: Only roughly, 25,000 have started the process of meeting with a substance abuse, professional, and doing the follow up testing, and then they return to work duty, testing that 137,000 has not done anything. So

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Alan Teichelman: a couple things that’s going to have a major effect. And we talked that back to Clearinghouse rule number one will have effect on this 177,000

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Alan Teichelman: Next slide, please.

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Alan Teichelman: What does the Clearinghouse contain. I felt that I thought I should just make sure everybody’s up to speed on everything at the Clearinghouse. The Clearinghouse is a secure database where employers, FMCSA.

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Alan Teichelman: State driver license agencies, law enforcement personnel have real time access to CDL and CLP. Driver holders.

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Alan Teichelman: It’s all part of the again, the

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Alan Teichelman: 49 CFR

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Alan Teichelman: part 382 for testing for drugs. It only includes

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Alan Teichelman: positive drug and alcohol test.

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Alan Teichelman: Return to duty

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Alan Teichelman: testing and follow up testing. Only negative results are in there, but once they, a person, has gone through the return of duty, it will show a negative test result

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Alan Teichelman: next slide.

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Mark Rhea: Now, and I had one comment. There, Alan, I know that’s

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Mark Rhea: the custodian is the FMCSA Clearinghouse. But if you’re sued, that’s fair game for

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Mark Rhea: discovery from a plaintiff’s attorney.

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Alan Teichelman: Yes, sir, that’s correct. They’re going to that’s 1 thing they’re going to look at is, did you use the clearing house that you’re aware that they’re having history of drug and alcohol violations. And they’re going to use that against you.

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Alan Teichelman: They’re not going to sue the clearinghouse. They’re going to

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Alan Teichelman: the driver, you everybody else involved. But yes, that is a reference source that they will use, so

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Alan Teichelman: that that is part of it, that everybody

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Alan Teichelman: who must use the Clearinghouse.

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Alan Teichelman: so

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Alan Teichelman: types of drivers, employers that affected by the Clearinghouse. This is basically all drivers

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Alan Teichelman: who operate a commercial vehicle on a public road. Their employers and their service agents, which is a TPA or Co. So again.

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Alan Teichelman: Bunk, your question is

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Alan Teichelman: you, you must use this as part of the process of hiring somebody. It’s for interstate

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Alan Teichelman: passenger carriers, school bus drivers, limousine drivers.

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Alan Teichelman: waste management. You just name it all. Everybody’s included in that

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Alan Teichelman: that must go through the Clearinghouse for the for the pre-employment or random, or the Monthly yearly annual check

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Alan Teichelman: Who’s authorized to use the Clearinghouse

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Alan Teichelman: back to my original comment.

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Alan Teichelman: everybody, you cannot use the Clearinghouse unless you’re registered.

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Alan Teichelman: A CDL driver does not have to register.

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Alan Teichelman: But again, if they ever want to find out about their records. If part of the process of doing, we’ll get into a little bit query on it. They must be registered. So again, employers, 3rd party administrators, medical review officers, substance abuse professionals and law enforcement personnel, all must be registered.

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Alan Teichelman: This is not

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Alan Teichelman: accessible to the public. Only people who register through the Clearinghouse have access to these records.

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Alan Teichelman: I’ve been asked about this. I want to check among records again. We go back to that 1st thing just mentioned. Yes, yes, you can. You can check your own records. The driver wants to go in there and check what’s on his record again. He must be registered. He or she will be able to access their records electronically.

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Alan Teichelman: there’s no cost to it. But again, it’s only going to show violations of drug and alcohol, and then the return to duty or follow up testing results

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Alan Teichelman: next slide.

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Alan Teichelman: This one here is I. As I mentioned there was. There’s a lot of owner operators out there, and the owner operator

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Alan Teichelman: serves both the employee.

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Alan Teichelman: employer and the employee, so he has 2 things he must do. He must follow the guidelines as an employer, and he must follow the guidelines as an employee. So, if he or

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Alan Teichelman: hires himself or herself to be a CDL. Driver. He must designate a consortium or 3rd party administrator to work to comply with him with the Clearing House reporting regulations. Obviously.

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Alan Teichelman: if you didn’t do that, if the owner operator flunked a drug test, would he report himself onto the clearinghouse? I don’t know. So again

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Alan Teichelman: the TPAs

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Alan Teichelman: work with helping registration. They work with conducting queries on his behalf, and they’re responsible. The CPS is responsible for reporting any

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Alan Teichelman: a violation of drug and alcohol violations to the Clearinghouse

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Alan Teichelman: This is the 1st I consider the 1st rule. There’s a lot of things in the Clearinghouse. You can go over that. But again, there’s basically 2 rules in Clearinghouse. The Clearinghouse requires anybody that uses it to report, and I’ll just wait here. Employers, medical review officers’ substance, abuse, professionals, consortiums, TPAs. They must report violations to the Clearinghouse. There. There’s no getting around that.

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Alan Teichelman: A good example is what an employer has a report that you find out

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Alan Teichelman: that your driver

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Alan Teichelman: again. The driver can fight the conviction, and how they do that would be. Is that so? For some reason the conviction was thrown out. Whatever reason might be, the driver just can’t call up the clearing out and say, Hey, it’s no longer my record. I want to get rid of it. The driver must show proof that the court dismissed the case or the documentation. So again.

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Mark Rhea: But until then they would be in the prohibited status, correct.

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Alan Teichelman: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir.

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Mark Rhea: And just if you went through a sap program or went through a court and you have a,

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Alan Teichelman: Yes, sir, it does not. Yes, sir, it does not.

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Alan Teichelman: those violations can cost an employer up to $5,800. There’s a scale there. But again, it’s a very steep fee for having a driver that has not been approved through the Clearinghouse to

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Alan Teichelman: This is the big rule that goes in effect, and there’s some questions I’ll bring up about it. But

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Alan Teichelman: the this happens on November 18.th It’s called CDL downgrades.

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Alan Teichelman: that those 100 I mentioned earlier, those 177,000 drivers, 1,000 drivers, they could still have their commercial driver’s license, even though they’re prohibited through the Clearinghouse use. So again, now, November 18th it goes into effect that they cannot issue, renew upgrade, or transfer a commercial driver’s license or commercial learner’s permit from

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Alan Teichelman: Look at my notes here.

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Mark Rhea: And that November 18th a firm date. It’s not going to.

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Alan Teichelman: You’re going to be notified by the Clearing House. If you have a driver who has something, a violation on their record. So, you’re going to start the process of you know. 1st off, you’re going to be notified. And you’ve been notified by email.

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Alan Teichelman: then you’re going to be notified by mail, saying, Hey, you! You have a violation, and your CDL license has been removed from you.

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Steve Kessler: Hi, Alan, quick question!

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Steve Kessler: Does something have to trigger the State licensing agency to start the downgrade process? Or will the licensing agencies literally just go into the system and start downgrading those that haven’t been completed?

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Alan Teichelman: The Clearinghouse will notify each State their State Driver agency that there is something on their record.

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Alan Teichelman: in the past. They were again. They didn’t have a real deadline or drop-dead date. 60 days is that they must within 60 days remove that privilege from that driver’s license of a commercial driver’s license or commercial learner’s permit. So, it’s through the Clearinghouse will notify.

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Alan Teichelman: And again, that again back to the original comment. I make that stays on the record until

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Steve Kessler: Alright!

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Alan Teichelman: This. This is important, that it’s going to help everybody understand how the process all works.

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Alan Teichelman: A query is electronic check that the clearing house is conducted by

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Alan Teichelman: There’s 2 different queries. And again, they’re very specific reasons. Wise. The limited one is for everybody that you employ. So, every driver that’s your employee. If you got 1050, whatever you must do, a limited query on each driver annually.

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Alan Teichelman: and that’s part of the process is that that is required by the Clearinghouse. A full court. A full query is something you would do

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Alan Teichelman: 2 functions of the and which is very important on the limited query you must get a written consent

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Alan Teichelman: You must keep that in their file for at least 3 years. It’s there is a if you go to the Clearinghouse, there is a document that you can print off that says they’re doing a background check on me through the clearinghouse. I do it annually. You have got to get it signed.

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Alan Teichelman: and you designate the time which you’re going to be doing it. But you want to do it annually, whatever. But again, you must keep that record for 3 years. It meets the requirements on a full query.

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Alan Teichelman: That’s where the driver must go into the Clearinghouse. He must register himself. And he has a sign.

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Alan Teichelman: electronic consent form that says I’m going. And I know that the company is going to do a background check on me through the Clearinghouse. Then once the Clearinghouse has that electronic signature, then they’re going to release the records to the employer. So, it’s a process to go through again. Limited is for all employees that you currently have on your deal

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Alan Teichelman: or full query. You’ve got to take them off. You’ve got to remove them from the driving of commercial vehicles for you. So again, that’s part of the process of them knowing that you’re going to be doing a background check on it if they decide. Huh? I don’t want to sign the document. Then you must remove them, and they cannot get back driving until the either the limited or full query is run and then come back, and it comes back with

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Alan Teichelman: you got to have those signatures and 3 years for the Limited. And it’s the electronic signature in the system. It protects you to make sure that you follow the Clearinghouse regulations.

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Steve Kessler: Would you have to update the record of consent on a limited query? You said 3 years? Would it have to be updated annually or after every after 3 years.

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Alan Teichelman: companies that I work with do it annually. Just so you remind the drivers. Okay, we’re going to be doing this for you. And I recommended it. I suggest that you do it annually, just because again, it brings you in front of them. You, they’re fully aware what you’re going to be doing again. But again, the record. Their record keeping requires you to keep those for 3 years, but

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Alan Teichelman: on the on the record keeping side on the electronic side. It’s in the system. So, you don’t have to worry about it. Did I sign it or not? Did they sign it. You didn’t get the full query unless they authorize you to sign it. So, you don’t have to worry about keeping records for full queries, only for limited queries.

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Alan Teichelman: How to purchase a query. There, that’s there was one rule change, I guess, the last year before is that only employers

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Alan Teichelman: You can. You can buy it annually. You have got 50 drivers. You want to buy 50 Limited, and you can buy so many full that you think you’re going to hire during the year. So again, that’s something you must do as part of the process of working with the clearing out. So, you must purchase them and keep them on file, and you cannot again

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Alan Teichelman: what the problem is, they’re going to report back to you, saying there is a there is something that pops up in his record. You must have the driver come online and do the electronic signature again, that is part of the process. That doing it. So once again, you get the electronic signature.

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Alan Teichelman: The driver then, will authorize the carrying house background check. And now the employer gets the results. So again.

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Alan Teichelman: it’s a process. That’s why the Limited is so important. If you don’t do the Limited, you might not realize that after you did the Last Limited, another company reported that there was a problem in the past that we failed to do on a timely basis. And now pops up, and then you’ve got to decide them because of the violation, and it’s still sitting there that you must take the driver off the off you’re as a commercial motor vehicle driver for you

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Alan Teichelman: the electronic signature. You must pull them out. They can no longer be part of the process of driving for you until that full query is completed and you find out by notification of the clearing house if there is a violation or not, and you can move forward with it.

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Mark Rhea: And that would be for passenger cars, motorcycles.

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Alan Teichelman: Pardon me.

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Mark Rhea: Any vehicle.

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Alan Teichelman: No, it’s just you drive a commercial.

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Alan Teichelman: I recommend. Well, you shouldn’t do drug testing unless you must. But again, your driver is cited, there’s a death or vehicles towed. There are several reasons why that kicks in. You must do the

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Alan Teichelman: post-accident testing. So again, that’s part of the process. But again, you’re only reporting Dot.

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Mark Rhea: And the refusals.

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Alan Teichelman: Yes, sir, yes, sir.

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Alan Teichelman: Again, as I mentioned earlier, the Clearing House is not for public use. It’s only for people to register. It does follow the

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Alan Teichelman: part of the fair act? Fair, clear act, act on privacy. So again, you again, you must

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Alan Teichelman: again, realize that you must use a clearing house. You’re not going to find these records anyplace else. But through the Clearinghouse

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Alan Teichelman: for drivers for information on any drug or alcohol, violations for employers, current drivers or prospective drivers for CDLs or CLPs the Clearing House.

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Alan Teichelman: You must do a full

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Alan Teichelman: query on a pre-employment. You do a limited query each year. On anybody that you employ.

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Alan Teichelman: The full query. It is an electronic signature.

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Alan Teichelman: and again, the records stay on there until if there’s a a violation until the person has cleared

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Alan Teichelman: the follow-up testing and return to duty testing.

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Alan Teichelman: what CMI does we do all this for you. We work with the substance abuse of professionals.

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Alan Teichelman: We don’t set up the standards how you’re tested again. Once you go through the process of talking to a

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Alan Teichelman: substance abuse, professional, you must follow their guidelines based on again it could be, and once you pass a

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Alan Teichelman: a return to duty test again, you could be subject to 6 additional random tests during the year, besides your random test. So again, you could be randomly tested because you’re in the random testing pool, but you’re also could be random tested 6 times because you’re coming off a situation where you had a

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Alan Teichelman: one or more violations of drug or alcohol.

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Alan Teichelman: Again. This all goes, in effect, for the Clearinghouse on November 18th

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Alan Teichelman: they will remove the privilege from you to drive for your driver to drive.

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Alan Teichelman: I know it might cause a shortage, because there are people out there driving right now.

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Alan Teichelman: for whatever reason, because the state driver’s license A/C. Wasn’t aware of it, or they were lax in doing it.

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Alan Teichelman: you don’t want to catch yourself off guard of der safety employer. That’s that again finds out

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Alan Teichelman: has his license removed, and its privilege is gone. That truck must sit on the side row. Once you find out that information you must. That driver’s pulled.

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Alan Teichelman: and so again, I

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Alan Teichelman: I highly recommend. Please use that the information.

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Alan Teichelman: Again, all this information is going to be available for me to send to you, or through the system through Steve or Mark to email to you.

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Alan Teichelman: I believe that’s all. I just want to make sure

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Alan Teichelman: the whole purpose of the Clearing House

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Alan Teichelman: rule number 2 is to make the road safety again before it was lax in the State agencies. Now it is a requirement that state agencies revoke those licenses. So again, the whole purpose of this is to make the drivers

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Alan Teichelman: the highway safer, and to remove drivers that are

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Alan Teichelman: that are no longer permitted to drive.

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Alan Teichelman: So, I hopefully, I’ve answered a lot of your questions, but I’m sure open for additional questions you might have about.

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Alan Teichelman: That’s the content of this program.

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Steve Kessler: Well, thanks, Alan, that yes, we do have a few questions here. So, I’m going to kind of take these in the order that they came in.

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Steve Kessler: Mark is asking on a new hire. Is it the new employer’s responsibility to push drivers to return to work testing?

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Steve Kessler: Or is that the responsibility of the driver?

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Alan Teichelman: Well, I guess it could be a combination. Because you if you want the guy.

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Alan Teichelman: you know he’s a good driver, or you want him. For some reason you want him. Then obviously, you push him to get his privilege reinstated. But yeah, initially

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Alan Teichelman: it’s up to the driver to do everything. It’s his responsibility to do that. But again.

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Alan Teichelman: there’s companies out there that give 0 tolerance. There are companies that give you a second chance on drug testing. So again, those second chances that where that kicks in the substance abuse, professional is going to work with that company to get them reinstated for the follow up testing and the return to duty. But again, it’s kind of both.

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Steve Kessler: Okay.

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Alan Teichelman: Depends on the provisional company. How about they want that driver.

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Steve Kessler: There you go.

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Steve Kessler: Question here from Amber? She’s asking, can we decide to not hire a driver based on Clearinghouse results? The example he’s currently doing the follow up testing.

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Alan Teichelman: Yes.

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Steve Kessler: Yes.

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Alan Teichelman: You’re you don’t have to hire anybody based on

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Alan Teichelman: that, because again, until he finishes up the follow up testing and does the return to duty, follow test as negative result. You can’t use him as a driver.

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Alan Teichelman: And the process is that you’ll you can. If the driver lets you look at the substance, abuse professionals

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Alan Teichelman: of

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Alan Teichelman: what time frame it is. I mean, he might not be eligible to drive for another 30 or 60 days

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Alan Teichelman: again. So that’s part of the process. But yes, you

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Alan Teichelman: you don’t. You do not have to hire them.

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Steve Kessler: Very good someone here is asking

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Steve Kessler: do. After 5 years the violation will drop off. Is that true? Even if they haven’t completed the sap program.

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Alan Teichelman: No, it’s still on there.

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Steve Kessler: Okay, that stays

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Steve Kessler: forever.

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Alan Teichelman: Say it’s either 5 years or they do that.

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Alan Teichelman: and I apologize. I will clarify that and get back to you. But my understanding is, it’s still on the record. But I’ll clarify that. But I I believe it’s because now, because of the ruling number 2 kicks in.

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Alan Teichelman: then they can’t get a commercial license because of that. So, it’s my opinion it’s there because of the Clearinghouse rule number 2 is their driver license. The commercial drivers are. Privileges are taken away, so it’s there so they can’t get a commercial driver’s license until they go through that process of A with a

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Alan Teichelman: As with a surface professional.

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Alan Teichelman: So again, and they do their follow up testing and a return to duty.

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Steve Kessler: Okay.

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Steve Kessler: Question that that popped into my head. If they’re downgraded.

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Steve Kessler: the CDL is downgraded under the rule 2.

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Steve Kessler: And they

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Steve Kessler: finish all the requirements. How is the CDL reinstated back to a class A.

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Alan Teichelman: Well that once they this, the Clearinghouse, gets that final negative return to duty test result. Then they’ll reinstate them.

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Alan Teichelman: That that is the process.

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Steve Kessler: Automatically that that’ll happen. Okay.

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Alan Teichelman: Yes, sir, once they’ve gone through the default testing program and they have a negative test result for the return to duty. Then the clearing house will reinstate them into the program

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Alan Teichelman: as a as a as not prohibited.

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Steve Kessler: There you go.

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Steve Kessler: Somebody’s asking what happens when the driver cannot be verified in the Clearing house.

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Alan Teichelman: Well, then, I wouldn’t hire him.

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Alan Teichelman: I guess you cause the clearing house must verify the driver. So, if there’s either the

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Alan Teichelman: the driver’s license name is.

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Steve Kessler: Yeah.

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Alan Teichelman: Changed. The driver. License number is incorrect. There’s plenty of things that that are wrong with the process that you can’t verify it. So, if the Clearinghouse

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Alan Teichelman: again, I would suggest then, that the driver go register the Clearinghouse. He does it himself. He goes to the Clearinghouse. He submits his information so they can verify. It’s correct, and then they can do the query on them.

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Steve Kessler: That makes sense.

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Steve Kessler: Another question, Alan.

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Steve Kessler: A driver gets placed out of service for possession of a THC vape.

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Steve Kessler: Does this need to be reported by the employer to the Clearinghouse

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Steve Kessler: possession.

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Alan Teichelman: If he has, so he has a pipe or something, or whatever, or something. Paraphernalia.

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Alan Teichelman: no. And the reason why they’re only asking for

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Alan Teichelman: non-negative test results.

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Steve Kessler: Okay.

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Alan Teichelman: And so again.

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Alan Teichelman: what I would fall back on to is your company policy. Your company policy needs to state that.

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Alan Teichelman: that’s your problem. I mean, if you decide your policy says you have that in your possession, we’re going to terminate you. You have to kind of cover that in your policy.

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Alan Teichelman: But you’re not reporting that to the Clearinghouse because it’s he, didn’t

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Alan Teichelman: he? He passed every test you got, so you can’t do it just because of a pipe.

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Steve Kessler: Yeah, the driver in this case is got a criminal problem there, because the possession is the problem. So, I agree.

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Alan Teichelman: Yes.

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Steve Kessler: Company policy would terminate that person.

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Steve Kessler: Right? Here’s a question. Does the owner or safety manager who has

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Steve Kessler: CDLs for test drives only must be in the Clearinghouse.

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Alan Teichelman: Yes, if you’re

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Alan Teichelman: if you’re a CDL holder

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Alan Teichelman: and you might get behind the wheel anytime you’re in the you’re in the pool, random testing pool, and you must go through the

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Alan Teichelman: to the Clearinghouse verification.

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Alan Teichelman: So, it applies to everybody.

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Alan Teichelman: Because I mean again, if he

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Alan Teichelman: I you know again; we’re getting too picky here. If the guy never takes the truck off the parking lot or he drives, it around in his yard and never gets on a public road.

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Alan Teichelman: Then, you know, that’s 1 thing. But again, if you hold a commercial for a motor vehicle license.

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Alan Teichelman: then you’re you need to be in the you need in the random testing pool and be cleared by the Clearinghouse.

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Steve Kessler: Yeah, the question here was about test drive. So, I would assume that that was.

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Alan Teichelman: Put it on the high. He’s been put on the highway public road. Yeah.

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Steve Kessler: Okay.

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Alan Teichelman: He’s got to be in the program.

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Steve Kessler: Here’s a question says, what if a driver discloses an old DWI? Do we still remove them from safety? Sensitive function immediately.

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Alan Teichelman: Okay. 2 things kick in is, if it happened prior to June

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Alan Teichelman: of 2020, it’s not in the Clearinghouse system.

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Alan Teichelman: so, they have no knowledge of it. So, if it happens after that date.

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Alan Teichelman: there should be knowledge in it because of the employer or the previous employer had reported to it.

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Alan Teichelman: So again, it’s the date. The important part here is that prior to that 2020 date of January, it wouldn’t be in there, and so it has no effect on his record. You

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Alan Teichelman: you again. The current situation is, is it in the current Clearinghouse? And you go through the process of due diligence, limited or full query for employer employment. You’ve done your due diligence. There’s nothing in there, and even though it might have happened 20 years ago.

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Alan Teichelman: and the guy is great

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Alan Teichelman: or the lady is great. Then

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Alan Teichelman: you’ve done your due diligence. You can hire him.

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Steve Kessler: Very good, very good.

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Steve Kessler: Well, I don’t see any other questions coming in. But, Alan, I did want to take a minute if you don’t mind our company Infinit-I workforce. Obviously, we’re in the business of training. So, we offer a lot of training as it relates to the Clearinghouse.

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Steve Kessler: And I want to remind everybody. It’s important

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Steve Kessler: these days to make sure that you’re taking care of your reasonable suspicion training. Also.

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Steve Kessler: we’ve just recently updated that content.

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Steve Kessler: But if you need some training content, whether you’re a customer of ours or you need you’re not. We can help you get access to some content. So, you can train your drivers.

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Steve Kessler: make sure they understand they must register, and hopefully helps everybody

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Steve Kessler: kind of make their way through this clearinghouse thing and do things right, and

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Steve Kessler: not have all the frustration that might come along with it. So

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Steve Kessler: I do appreciate everything you’ve given us, Alan, I suspect. when we send out the replay, you may get several phone calls from some folks, and those of you out there reach out to Alan and his company, because they’ve been doing this a long time, and

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Alan Teichelman: Yeah, and my mobile, my mobile numbers on there. I’m always access. Even if you’re not an employee, I mean a customer. Ours. I would love to have your business, but something pops up, you got a question

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Alan Teichelman: you’re always able to reach out to me, and I’ll do my best answer for you.

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Steve Kessler: Very good.

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Steve Kessler: Well, I see we all.

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Mark Rhea: Steve. We also have some new, fairly new content on CBD. That that triggers a positive CBD that does not trigger a positive hemp, and I would strongly recommend this would be a really good time to get some of that content out to my driver. Base.

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Steve Kessler: I agree, Mark, I’m glad you brought that up, because it turns out that’s one of the most

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Steve Kessler: assigned pieces of content that we have right now, because there have been so many drivers sadly, that

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Steve Kessler: taking something that’s perfectly legal in all 50 States, and they end up with a with a negative on their drug screen and

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Steve Kessler: get put out of driving at least till they get it all straightened out again.

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Steve Kessler: Certainly. Don’t buy any CBD stuff at the truck. Stop.

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Alan Teichelman: That’s for sure.

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Mark Rhea: And it would be, and it would be a good idea to run a query before November the 18th for your fleet is, that is that a fair statement.

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Alan Teichelman: Yes, sir.

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Steve Kessler: See whether you’re going to have.

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Alan Teichelman: You don’t want to be caught off guard with.

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Mark Rhea: It’s going to be a lot of. There’s going to be a lot of surprises on November 19.th

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Alan Teichelman: That’s correct.

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Steve Kessler: Very true.

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Mark Rhea: I would also like everybody to just send a quick thank you to Alan. He’s a professional in this in this field, and obviously has improved.

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Mark Rhea: Impaired driving for our industry and

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Mark Rhea: helping us stay in compliance is clearly a challenge for us. So, we appreciate what you do, Alan. Thank you very much.

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Alan Teichelman: Thank you. I appreciate the opportunity to visit with everybody today. Thank you.

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Alan Teichelman: Great.

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Steve Kessler: Thanks, Alan. Thank you, Mark, and thanks to everybody that joined the webinar today, I think we all got some great information, and like I said, we’ll be sending out an email that will give you access to the recording of this.

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Steve Kessler: so, you can share it with some other folks, maybe rewatch it to get some pieces that you may have missed. So once again, Alan. Thank you, sir, and thanks to everybody that joined us, and we’ll look forward to having you on our next webinar.

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Alan Teichelman: Thank you.

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Steve Kessler: Y’all very much.

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Alan Teichelman: Take care!

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Steve Kessler: Alright, bye.