Webinar Replay #30: Entry Level Driver Training for Trucking

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Craig Hart: Good morning, everyone.

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Craig Hart: Welcome to our Fast Forward Expert Roundtable this morning regarding entry level driver training for the trucking industry.

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Craig Hart: Just a couple of quick introductions here as we get underway and as we’re have.

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Craig Hart: You guys join us and login my name is Craig Hart I’m with Vertical Alliance Group, I am part of our events team here, so you’ve probably seen me on previous webinars.

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Craig Hart: If you’ve participated in those with us before and my background is in distance learning that’s how I entered this world with you all hoops.

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Craig Hart: And with me today is my cohost, as always, Mr. Mark Rhea and Mark is one of you, he is a former trucking executive, with over 35 years’ experience in the industry.

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Craig Hart: He is now, I want to say you’ve retired from an active role, because I know you remain probably more active now than you were.

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Craig Hart: When you were working with Frozen Food Express as you’re still involved consulting with organizations, both within and without the transportation industry.

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Craig Hart: about the future of our industry so uh Mark it’s always great to have you with us or hope you had a wonderful holiday and a happy New Year.

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Mark Rhea: Did Thank you very much in today’s January, the 5th, 2022 and this date February 7, 2022, that JEREMY will detail shortly has been on a lot of people’s.

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Mark Rhea: schedule of things to get done for a long time so I’m really looking forward to listening to Jeremy and thousands of hours that he and his team have invested putting together a professionally based ELDT program the long awaited ELDT program.

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Craig Hart: Long awaited long delay multi delayed multiyear delayed ELDT programs so.

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Craig Hart: Before I bring JEREMY on, I just wanted to mention that this actually is an additional session about this for.

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Craig Hart: The folks that we work with another trucking companies out there, we did a session back in November that was very well attended, but we know not everybody.

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Craig Hart: could attend that first session so we wanted to hold the second one for those that were not able to make the first one, and we also have some.

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Craig Hart: Additional information, this time around, on some questions that we had from our previous session that we wanted to address that that JEREMY will get to as we’re going through this but.

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Craig Hart: Our speaker today with us is JEREMY Rose. JEREMY is the video production manager here at Vertical Alliance Group, he’s been with us for many, many, many years.

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Craig Hart: Some of you, if you have taken our training in the past, you will recognize his voice, as he has also been the voice over talent for some of our videos as well.

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Craig Hart: And it’s responsible for keeping the team of folks that put our content together that roll it out new or in the case of ELDT or revamping it.

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Craig Hart: From the original specs that were published he’s the one that’s responsible for all that and he’s had to live with this project pretty intensely now for the last six months or so and I’m sure he will be very happy when February 7 rolls.

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Craig Hart: Around and this finally goes live, and he could look at some other content this so JEREMY Good morning, Sir, thank you for joining us.

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Jeremy Rose: Good morning, thanks for having me.

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Craig Hart: awesome now, before we get underway, they’re going to be things that we talked about today that you might want to take a little bit of a deeper dive on, and you have some questions about our platform that we’re not going to necessarily address.

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Craig Hart: On our presentation today that’s fine, we can always set up a after calling little DEMO with you takes 25-30 minutes we can walk you through the specifics of where you’ll dt will be located in the catalog.

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Craig Hart: show you the functionality, how you can assign it to reporting that’s available for it and so forth, to get that setup you can just contact, Woody O’Dell.

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Craig Hart: phone number there at the bottom of the screen 866-905-5087 or you can email [email protected] and he will reach back out to you and figure out what’s a good time for you guys to visit.

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Craig Hart: So, all right, so the new driver process CDL application, commercial learner’s permit, entry level driver training, right smack DAB in the middle there.

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Craig Hart: followed by the skills training test and obtaining the CDL from the state so we’re going to focus on this middle box today these other parts of the process.

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Craig Hart: Some of them are not changing obviously the first two boxes are the same, the skills training and skills test, that is, the behind the wheel training.

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Craig Hart: that’s not something that we will facilitate as a theory content provider on our end and then obtaining the CDL from the state that is the same as before, but we’re going to focus on this theory content portion and with that JEREMY will let you take it away.

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Jeremy Rose: Thanks very much so just to reiterate my name is JEREMY Rose, I am the video production manager for Vertical Alliance Group through Infinit-I Workforce Solutions.

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Jeremy Rose: And today we’re going to talk about entry level driver training.

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Jeremy Rose: So, this, these are the new requirements from the FMCSA, please note that this presentation is designed for those that have.

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Jeremy Rose: little to no prior knowledge about entry level driver training what it is, or why it’s important if you’re already familiar with the new regulations, then, most of this information will not be new to you.

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Jeremy Rose: But we are going to have a Q&A at the end of this So if you have any questions feel free to ask them then.

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Jeremy Rose: there’s a lot of specific information to cover in these new regulations more than we have time to go over here if your question is not answered again, please ask during the Q&A.

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Jeremy Rose: Or if you’re the type that likes to get your hands dirty or you just like to brush up on things afterwards, all of this information is available online in the electronic code of federal regulations at www.ecfr.gov

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Jeremy Rose: specifically under Title 49 part three at special training requirements, you can also find more information about the training provider registry, which we will discuss at length during this presentation at www.tpr.fmcsa.dot.gov.

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Jeremy Rose: This presentation will focus on general entry level driver training, information, as well as specific information for Class A class B, as well as the H endorsement so let’s go ahead and jump into things next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: What is entry level driver training beginning of February 7, 2022, entry level drivers will be subject to the requirements in the entry level driver training or ELDT.

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Jeremy Rose: regulations. The whole purpose of this is to set a minimum standard of training requirements for entry level CDL holders. These regulations are established by the FMCSA next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: apply to these new regulations apply to drivers obtaining a class A or class B CDL for the first time.

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Jeremy Rose: upgrading and existing class B CDL a class A CDL or obtaining a school bus S passenger P or hazardous materials, H endorsement for the first time, the key point, there is that that whole for the first-time situation now.

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Mark Rhea: JEREMY I noticed you didn’t in renewals are not applied, if you are renewing your CDL.

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Jeremy Rose: No not Okay, thank you.

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Jeremy Rose: So, what about currency, the holders right the govt regulations are not retroactive, meaning that the entry level driver training requirements do not apply to individuals holding a valid CDL.

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Jeremy Rose: or an S, P or H endorsement issued prior to February 7, 2022.

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Jeremy Rose: If an applicant who obtained a commercial learner’s permit prior to February 7, 2022, obtains the CDL before that CLP or renewed CLP expires than the applicant is also not subject to the ELDT requirements.

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Jeremy Rose: Basically, meaning if you’re good to go before February 7 which we’re coming up on then you’re going to be good to go for the rest of this, this is, this is all really stuff that applies to new drivers after February 7 next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: Alright, so what’s the point right.

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Jeremy Rose: ELDT regulations establish a federal standard for training CDL applicants must successfully complete this training before they will be permitted to take the CDL skills test.

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Jeremy Rose: or in the case of the H endorsement to the knowledge test, this means that all new entry level drivers should have roughly the same amount of training.

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Jeremy Rose: When they take their CDL or endorsement tests, the desire here is to prevent untrained individuals from obtaining a CDL or endorsement and to make sure that all entry level drivers meet the necessary basic threshold to safely operate a commercial motor vehicle next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: Now that we know who is affected by the ELDT regulations let’s talk a little bit about what the training looks like.

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Jeremy Rose: There is no federally mandated amount of training time that a driver trainee must complete for entry level driver training the FMCSA only requires that training cover all topics set forth by the FMCSA.

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Jeremy Rose: they’re required topics are broken into two sections theory and behind the wheel behind the wheel is broken into two further sections range and public road.

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Jeremy Rose: As a note Infinit-I Workforce Solutions as a platform only handles online training so I’ll only be covering the theory portion of the training here, but if you have questions about the behind the wheel training, please do ask me in the Q&A section.

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Jeremy Rose: Next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: Are there different requirements, the ELDT regulations are the same for Class A and B, as well as S, P and H endorsements there are no special regulations that must be followed.

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Jeremy Rose: For the different classes or endorsements outside of the different topics that must be covered.

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Jeremy Rose: for clarity what I mean by this is that there’s nothing that you must do as far as ELDT regulations go to get your class B.

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Jeremy Rose: Compared to getting your class A other than the topics that you must train on being slightly different.

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Jeremy Rose: No class or endorsement has a hidden specific amount of time or otherwise different requirements there’s just different topics for each different class or endorsement.

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Jeremy Rose: Depending on the class of CDL or endorsement a driver training is trying to obtain and the different processes that they go through.

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Jeremy Rose: It is feasible, that a driver training might be trained on the same topic multiple times, for example, training on railroad crossings is required for Class A.

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Jeremy Rose: As well as class B, as well as H endorsement, so a driver might theoretically need to be trained on that topic three different times in relatively rapid succession depending on when they attempt to obtain or upgrade their CDL basically.

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Jeremy Rose: If a if a driver came in as a getting a class B CDL they go through the ELD training there.

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Jeremy Rose: Then they go for a class a little later, they go through the ELD training there as well, and then he endorsement again down the road right so.

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Jeremy Rose: keep that in mind right like as you go into these, as you are training these drivers, make sure you’re training them for the right thing at the right time okay next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: Remember, there is no required time amount for entry level driver training you just must cover all of the topics set forth by the FMCSA for each class or endorsement.

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Jeremy Rose: The FMCSA has established 30 training topics for Class A, 29 training topics for Class B, and 13 training topics for the hazardous materials endorsement.

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Jeremy Rose: As I said earlier, Infinit-I Workforce Solutions is only a theory training provider, so I won’t go over the behind the wheel topics in depth, but just as heads up there are 19 topics for Class A and 18 for Class B.

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Jeremy Rose: And there is no behind the wheel portion for the H endorsement as a note there, while there are no time requirements for any of the classes or endorsements driver trainees must receive an overall minimum score of an 80% on the theory assessment portion for entry level driver training.

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Jeremy Rose: Next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: Alright So what are the topics I won’t read through all of these but we’ll leave them on screen for a brief moment, once again, all of this information is on the electronic code of federal regulations website at www.ECFR.gov.

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Jeremy Rose: the sections for Class A are basic operation, safe operating procedures, advanced operating practices, vehicle systems and reporting malfunctions, and non-driving activities.

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Jeremy Rose: Please note that if you are interested in researching the information yourself the FMCSA has the listed each of these topics with a prompt explaining the minimum information that must be covered by each topic.

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Jeremy Rose: that’s too much information to cover in this presentation, but if you have questions about a specific topic, please let me know during the Q&A.

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Craig Hart: Next, one would like, I would like to point out here when we’re talking about topics.

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Craig Hart: it’s possible due to the breadth of the information that is being covered in some of these that there might be more than one course assigned to a specific topic so it’s not one for one necessarily when we’re talking about 30 total topics is not 30.

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Craig Hart: pieces of training content, it may be more depending on what subject matter must be covered.

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Craig Hart: When we’re looking at our library JEREMY we try and keep our courses in that three-to-eight-minute sweet spot for information retention, I know, but this will give a rough approximation by that time frame times this number of topics it’s going to be roughly equivalent.

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Craig Hart: So, again there’s no time limit requirements not 40 hours that must be trained it’s basically how quickly, can the student driver get through this information successfully with that minimum score.

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Jeremy Rose: yeah, and that.

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Jeremy Rose: is successfully right like as.

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Jeremy Rose: As long as they can pass the testing requirements, you know they’re good to go and that’s a very good point about the topics, not necessarily equating to being a one to one for videos I think pre trip is a great a great example of this right, we all know how long a good.

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Jeremy Rose: Real valid pre trip takes and trying to cover all that type of information in a single five-to-eight-minute video is you know it’s not really possible so for those types of topics right we’ll probably have breakout videos not probably we do have breakout videos where we’ll have.

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Jeremy Rose: A couple of different videos covering that topic so the way that we’re going to be formulating that for our system is actually going to follow the unit schematics that the FMCSA has published so for each of these classes, for example, class A.

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Jeremy Rose: The FMCSA has a unit code, which is a for Class a since it’s the first one, they published so it will be like.

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Jeremy Rose: unit a one dash 01 for orientation, for example, so we’re going to follow the same classification or the same categorization for our content, so that it’s very easy to follow and if you’re ever looking anything up on the the FMCSA or the CFR basically.

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Jeremy Rose: you’ll be able to see an almost one for one comparison, the only differentiation you’ll see is when we have multiple topic or multiple videos to cover a single topic.

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Craig Hart: that’s a good, I want to show people that just because I think some folks may have been a little bit confused by that and I do have an example of that pulled up.

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Craig Hart: That I can show everyone we’re going to try and follow that same nomenclature, that the State uses, because we want your people to be able to track back specific training modules.

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Craig Hart: The same way, so that.

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Craig Hart: It also makes it very easy for you as the manager to go okay what’s next in this order of the sequence if you’re, for example, doing multiple training sessions.

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Craig Hart: With a driver and you don’t have all of them, because with 30 topics you’re probably not going to want to have all of those go out to a single driver.

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Craig Hart: At one time i’ll probably be overwhelming, but you might want to break them up into thirds.

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Craig Hart: And then send out three different groups, and this will help you keep track of and make sure the sequencing is the correct, so that it covers everything on these lists so I’m not sure I thought I had that link pulled up on my screen but it’s not giving me the.

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Jeremy Rose: Our intent is to make this.

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Jeremy Rose: As seamless process, as we can for anyone that utilizes our system for it obviously.

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Mark Rhea: Is there a mandated sequence or is there is.

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Jeremy Rose: No there’s no mandated sequence, there is the.

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Jeremy Rose: sequence that they released the content topics in right the that specific order and that order does follow a somewhat logical path, as you can see right the section one basic operation covers the basics, that you would need to know.

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Jeremy Rose: And then it kind of moves into other potential topics, but there’s no requirement by the FMCSA to do anything in a specific order you just have to cover all the topics that’s.

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Craig Hart: The order that we’re going to follow, though, in terms of how we label, things will be the way they’re going from section one to five, and then we’ll also I know we break down.

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Craig Hart: In some of those sections that have multiple videos for it, for example, the pre-trip post trip there will be a one dash one oh a and the one dash one oh be so, then you guys can eyeball very quickly, which are included with which group so.

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Jeremy Rose: And then again if that’s not your cup of tea and you don’t particularly care my understanding in communication with our client success team is that they just intend on setting this all up the templates so that you can just press a button and go hey it’s all.

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Craig Hart: know and that’s something that can be talked about in the DEMO.

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Jeremy Rose: That we talked about earlier so but.

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Craig Hart: As you can also see very easily if you are trying to do this and go this alone and be your own theory content provider, these are the subjects, you need to build content on.

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Craig Hart: As JEREMY will tell you it’s not something you can do overnight, so if that’s the route, you want to go, I hope you started already.

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Craig Hart: Because it does take work and effort and time to cover things thoroughly in the right manner, but this is one of the reasons that we wanted to get this information in front of us.

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Craig Hart: So, if you look at this list and find this very daunting We understand that that’s why this sort of content is available to all the clients that we work with will be turned on automatically in the library is its own little separate cut out so you know very easily how to find that.

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Craig Hart: We want to move on the next one.

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Jeremy Rose: Next slide whenever you’re ready.

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Craig Hart: yep sure.

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Jeremy Rose: So, these are the topics for Class B once again I’m not going to read through all of these, but we will leave them on the screen briefly.

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Jeremy Rose: The eagle eyed among you might have noticed that the class B topics look suspiciously like the class A topics that’s because they are.

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Jeremy Rose: The only topic difference between class A and class B is the coupling and uncoupling topic in section one for Class A not being required for Class B.

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Jeremy Rose: Next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: And here are the hazardous materials endorsement topics, the vast majority of all this stuff is standard stuff again it’s meant to be the FMCSA goal here isn’t to reinvent the wheel it’s just to standardize the training, it takes to get behind one.

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Jeremy Rose: Most of this type of training, you are probably you’re probably already providing not necessarily at from an entry level standpoint but just from a basic techniques and safety practices kind of standpoint, for your drivers.

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Jeremy Rose: So, there is that if you are trying to go at your own and produce your own content keep that in mind right.

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Jeremy Rose: But even if you are or have produced your own ELDT content in the past for the prior regulations, a lot of this content is still the same content rights so it’s just a matter of formulating and making sure that you have all of your I’s dotted and T’s crossed so next slide please.

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Craig Hart: One thing I want to touch on very briefly because we do have some folks on the call today that potentially have never seen how we format our training materials is that they are.

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Craig Hart: Primarily, video and then have a multiple-choice quiz at the end of it usually for a five-day minute video it’s less than 10 questions.

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Craig Hart: and multiple choice, and it can be taken repeatedly, so that if a driver is not successful, the first time they can go back and take it again and again potentially if they need to until they are able to pass.

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Craig Hart: So, and that way we’re able to track the progress both of how much time is being spent watching the video.

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Craig Hart: Because we do require people to go all the way through the video at least one time before they’re allowed to take the quiz.

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Craig Hart: And that way on a training record, it will show that for an eight-minute video they spent eight minutes of time watching that what we don’t want training records to show is.

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Craig Hart: A, this is an eight-minute video and your driver spend 30 seconds watching it because God forbid that driver become involved in an accident at a later date that’s not going to hold up.

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Craig Hart: into anyone’s inspection if they put that in front of a jury and a trial.

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Craig Hart: same thing with the quiz questions we keep those separate from the material, so that is not easy for the driver to immediately go back and reference it against what they just read they do have to.

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Craig Hart: pay attention and again it’s all about the integrity of the reporting.

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Craig Hart: So that no one can question what’s happening in the system when they’re going through our training material, they are doing the work they are getting the scores and those things are legitimate so.

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Craig Hart: Again, those are things we can show you examples of how those are structured in that DEMO if that’s something that you’d like to participate in.

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Craig Hart: ready for next slide JEREMY.

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Craig Hart: Yes, Sir awesome.

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Jeremy Rose: So, after all of that information, how do you actually get training, but short answer is, is that you either find a training provider or you like.

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Jeremy Rose: But this is where things can get a little more complicated to monitor and regulate these new requirements, the FMCSA has created the training provider registry.

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Jeremy Rose: training providers or entry level driver training must be listed on the training provider registry and, yes, that includes you if you are training your own driver trainees to obtain their CDL or an endorsement.

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Jeremy Rose: Becoming an approved training provider requires submitting an electronic application to the training provider registry.

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Jeremy Rose: Self certifying that you meet all ELDT requirements, affirming under penalty of perjury that you will only teach the prescribed ELDT curriculum.

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Jeremy Rose: And for clarity on that it means you’re not going to teach anything, contrary to what this FMCSA has.

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Jeremy Rose: requested right if you if you cover more topics than what the FMCSA has listed that’s fine it’s just if what you teach is contrary to what the FMCSA has required, then that’s a problem.

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Jeremy Rose: And then the final requirement is maintaining documentation proving ELDT compliance in the event of an audit.

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Jeremy Rose: Once a training provider has been accepted, to the TPR there’ll be assigned a unique training provider ID number which will appear on a driver trainees record in the commercial driver’s license information system next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: So, registering to become a training provider is actually a very simple process just go to tpr.fmcsa.dot.gov.

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Jeremy Rose: some state associations or the CVSA or something like that, right after that you will enter a waiting period where the FMCSA is a must approve your registration request.

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Jeremy Rose: And this must be done before you can register training locations or invite additional users to the TPR on your behalf now this waiting period is not an especially long time.

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Jeremy Rose: But it is a manual process to my understanding, so if you have not already done this and you need to do it, then you probably need to go ahead and do it now.

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Jeremy Rose: As my assumption would be anyone who hasn’t done it and needs to get it done in there might be a rush between now and the deadline for February so.

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Craig Hart: Mark you and I were talking about this before.

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Craig Hart: The call everyone on the call probably remembers the drug and alcohol clearing house and how quote unquote smoothly that went the first month it went live.

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Craig Hart: And, and it was a nightmare, and it probably impacted some of you negatively, and because there was a bottleneck of registrations people that waited until the last minute to get involved.

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Craig Hart: Multiple pieces involved it’s not just the FMCSA the state organizations are involved, your state governments, some of them.

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Craig Hart: have different levels of technical proficiency, that is, the polite way that I will say that this morning.

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Craig Hart: And a lot of this is going to be done or potentially done manually until they have all the automatic communications back and forth.

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Craig Hart: A part of the training provider registry and getting your information in there, there are still some additional steps you’ll have to fill out and complete before you can start.

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Craig Hart: Reporting credit for training done but and obviously February 7 there it’s not going to allow you to report any training, but it’s better to start that process now if that’s something that you’re considering rather than waiting until the week before.

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Mark Rhea: JEREMY quick question.

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Mark Rhea: If you register with the FMCSA a as a training provider registered provider, do you and obviously this information has to circulate through the state, and you’re doing lessons and let’s say New Mexico and Tennessee do you also have to register with the state licensing agency.

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Jeremy Rose: Now to my understanding right you’re already going to be registered in the states that you operate in as a company right.

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Jeremy Rose: state licensing agency or anything like that that’s kind of the purpose of the TPR is.

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Jeremy Rose: It is both a housing location for training providers, but it’s also a communication system between those training providers, the FMCSA, and the State licensing agencies.

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Jeremy Rose: So, we’ll cover this a little bit more later in the presentation, but when training is completed, the training provider is required to upload all of that information directly to the TPR and then that information goes from the TPR to the State licensing agency gotcha.

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Mark Rhea: And that applies to both intrastate and interstate.

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Jeremy Rose: Alright, so let’s say you went on to become a registered trainer on the TPR to do that, you must meet one of the two following qualifications.

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Jeremy Rose: One, you must hold a CDL of the same or higher class and with all endorsements necessary to operate the CMV for which training, just to be provided.

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Jeremy Rose: Two you must hold a CDL of the same or higher class and with all endorsements necessary to operate the CMV for which training is to be provided and have at least two years of experience as a behind the wheel CMV instructor.

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Jeremy Rose: and meet all applicable state qualification requirements for seeing the instructors next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: There are of course some exceptions to these rules number one and instructor is not required to hold a CDL of the same or higher class with all endorsements necessary to operate the CMV for which training is to be provided.

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Jeremy Rose: If that instructor previously held a CDL of the same or higher class and complies with all the other requirements set forth in the first or second qualifications.

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Jeremy Rose: And then number two is the important one for us in this discussion right is training providers, offering online content exclusively.

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Jeremy Rose: Though it is important to note that they must still meet the other requirements, meaning that all the training that an online training provider provides must be certified or verified right.

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Jeremy Rose: By an individual instructor who meets those qualifications also of note is that if an instructor’s CDL has been canceled suspended or revoked due to any of the disqualifying offenses identified in.

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Jeremy Rose: 383.51 Of the CFR the instructor is prohibited from engaging in theory instruction for two years following the date his or her CDL is reinstated.

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Jeremy Rose: So, let’s say you’re a driver training you go through all the required motions of entry level driver training, what happens after you complete your training.

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Jeremy Rose: Well, once the driver training completes the required training for whatever they are attempting to do the training provider will submit data to the TPR containing the following information.

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Jeremy Rose: they’ll have the driver training, name number of driver’s license, commercial learner’s permit, commercial driver’s license, as applicable, and then the state of licensure.

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Jeremy Rose: By the commercial driver’s license class and or endorsement and type of training, that being theory and or behind the wheel, the driver training completed right.

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Jeremy Rose: Then you’ll have the total number of clock hours, the driver trainees spent to complete behind the wheel training as applicable and note for that right again there’s not a required amount of time.

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Jeremy Rose: That the FMCSA is wanting for this, but if you’re doing behind the wheel train you do still have to track the number of hours that the driver training went through and submit that to the TPR.

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Jeremy Rose: And then you must have the name of the training provider and its unique TPR identification number and the dates of the successful training.

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Jeremy Rose: So, this record of completion is sent to the training provider registry and it is what allows the driver training to go take their CDL or endorsement test.

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Jeremy Rose: Without this proof right without this record of completion in the TPR the driver training will not be able to take their CDL or endorsement, and I think I think that’s a very, very big note that.

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Jeremy Rose: Some of the people I’ve had conversations with it hasn’t quite clicked with yet.

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Jeremy Rose: Come February 7, if you do not go through this process, and you do not have that information submitted to the TPR.

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Jeremy Rose: And you go and try to get a CDL or endorsement they will turn you away, you will not be able to acquire the CDL or endorsement, that you are trying to update you just won’t you won’t even be able to try to do it.

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Mark Rhea: is typically the skills test portion correct JEREMY.

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Mark Rhea: The learners permit is already getting obtain.

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Jeremy Rose: So, you want, you should already have your CLP for even initiate this process right because you have to have the CLP to do range or public road training or anything like that right.

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Jeremy Rose: But once you have that you cannot go to the next step, you can’t even take your test or CDL tests, if you do not already have this training submitted to the TPR.

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Mark Rhea: Skills test.

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Craig Hart: Now there was, we had a question come in, Jeremy that’s pertinent to this is there an online template that is that a TPR registered group would fill out or is this some template they’ve got to create on their own.

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Jeremy Rose: Oh no so with the with the TPR right once you are on the TPR as a training provider registry, they have a basically a form syllable scenario that you fill out to submit information to them.

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Jeremy Rose: So, you’re not going to have to make anything up on your own or anything like that it’s going to be.

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Jeremy Rose: You know your own internal documentation, or if you’re utilizing Infinit-I right our internal documentation is going to have to be set up in a specific way right.

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Jeremy Rose: But if you are manually putting all of this information into the TPR because you’re submitting your own information, then that’s just going to be.

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Jeremy Rose: that’s just going to be something that you log into the TPR as a training provider registry or training provider and then you just submit the information, each time manually.

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Craig Hart: I know, and I think something that we talked about offline is because this is a new system and because we’ll find out what’s going to break very quickly on this.

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Craig Hart: it’s not an instantaneous communication back and forth between the TPR to the state on cl information, I mean, obviously.

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Craig Hart: When you become a registered training group there are requirements on how quickly you have to communicate completed training back like within a certain window of time frame, you need to be responding back.

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Craig Hart: But we are we still have a little bit of wait and see, to see how quickly that is effectively updated it to.

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Craig Hart: To bar and then what how quickly that’s updated at the state level as well, because it’s going to them first and then down to the state.

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Jeremy Rose: Absolutely, so if I’m remembering correctly, the FMCSA regulations require training providers to submit their records of completion within 24 hours, it might be 48 hours, but I believe it’s within 24 hours.

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Jeremy Rose: So that is something to note if you’re going to be doing your own training right, you do have to submit this information to the TPR within 24 hours.

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Jeremy Rose: But as of right now we you’re like you said, we have no, we have no idea how smooth this system is going to run for the FMCSA.

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Jeremy Rose: So I think someone asked, can you schedule a skills test before submitting the training right, so, in theory, potentially, you could do that, but right now we don’t know if the.

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Jeremy Rose: If the TPR and the FMCSA are going to have a good handle on this, and if this is going to run smoothly, or if it’s going to be your best bet to do the TPR the ELDT stuff get it submitted to the TPR and then afterwards schedule your tests.

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Craig Hart: Right in a perfect world, all of the states have will have what we call an API set up to communicate automatically electronically, with the TPR.

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Craig Hart: Obviously, our in our world with API’s we know, sometimes they break sometimes they are not ready on at go date, which means that.

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Craig Hart: We just don’t know unfortunate we don’t have a ton of states have going we’re not going to be ready yet for February 7th, let us know.

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Craig Hart: where the problems are going to be, but I would say, at least for this initial wave of folks that you may have come through after February 7, you probably want to budget additional time into that just to be safe.

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Jeremy Rose: And I’ll say this right every state is probably going to be different we’re probably going to have some states that February 7, hits and they are ready to go they’re all.

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Jeremy Rose: All fired up, and this is great, so my recommendation in that situation is just going to be, you know openly communicate call your state licensing association.

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Jeremy Rose: ahead of time ahead of this February 7, deadline and see if you can’t get a little bit of.

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Jeremy Rose: information from them, they might give you a thumbs up and say yeah, we’re already hooked up we’re ready to go, everything should be just fine go ahead and continue scheduling things like you have been and it’ll all be good.

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Jeremy Rose: or they might be like hey we’re working on it, but there might be a few bugs we recommend you complete your TPR information and then schedule a test afterwards so.

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Jeremy Rose: that’s just going to be my recommendation within my so my assumption is we might see a couple of hiccups here or there, for some of the states that seems very likely for me right.

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Jeremy Rose: But I would assume within two to six months we’re probably going to have most of this either it’s going to be a massive explosion and none of it’s going to work or within two to six months we’ll have it all ironed out, and everyone.

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Craig Hart: And we did have a question come through Natalie, just to clarify if employee has their permit before February 7, and has not completed the skills test.

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Craig Hart: They will not be required to go through ELDT at and that’s the assessment if you’ve got your permit before they seven you are on the old rules, not the new.

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Jeremy Rose: Absolutely, if you if you already have your CLP, you are good to go as long as you do not allow that fealty to lap right.

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Jeremy Rose: you’re fine so if a driver has their CLP, they just must go take their skills test and they’re good to go.

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Craig Hart: No, I think this will be very beneficial for some of you out there in terms of a lot of the training you’re very capable of doing.

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Craig Hart: You, you will be doing enough hours and can knock out this behind the wheel portion I mean when we talk about 19 topics.

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Craig Hart: As you saw from the topics that we’re covering in theory content it’s not nuclear science here we’re not reinventing the wheel as JEREMY mentioned we’re just covering basics, that we want to make sure that everyone understands and so forth, so this is.

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Jeremy Rose: The FMCSA isn’t trying to reinvent the wheel here right most of this safety training good companies are already doing.

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Jeremy Rose: Most of most of our driver trainees in the industry are going through this process already and covering most of these topics.

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Jeremy Rose: it’s that few bad apples situation that we’re trying to avoid right a few bad locations are a few bad individuals that were kind of just.

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Jeremy Rose: skipping the training part of getting a CDL that that we’re trying to avoid at this point the FMCSA is trying to establish a level playing field and then an easy way for everyone could be doing what they should be doing.

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Craig Hart: And we, we did find ourselves in a conversation, this was separate from one of the presentations we had done with a group who was planning on doing its own behind the wheel training.

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Craig Hart: And he firmly believed that he was not responsible for reporting any of the training completed that he was doing behind the wheel, he is wrong, everything must be reported.

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Craig Hart: it’s like we talked about the safety training if it’s not signed if it’s not dated and if you can’t find it, it did not happen, and that includes behind the wheel training that includes theory content training.

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Craig Hart: You want to document your efforts folks because you will need to report it and you will need to report it in a relatively short period of time.

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Craig Hart: I don’t know the exact number of hours, but JEREMY was not it was definitely the right ballpark it is shortly after that training is completed, that has to be reported to the teeth TPR it’s not something that you can do.

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Craig Hart: once a week or every two weeks, I mean this is something that you’ll need to stay on top of and then become you know very much a habit forming.

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Craig Hart: The forums themselves unfortunate we can’t show you example of because they are not live yet and won’t be until February 7 but.

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Craig Hart: we’ve gone through the process or JEREMY has gone through the process rather to get set up as TPR registering just to make sure that nothing came up that was surprising.

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Jeremy Rose: Was as far as forms go, I can tell you Craig just that we’re sitting on the forum is basically just the information on this slide it’s just listed out in in particular.

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Jeremy Rose: You know spaces right so it’s simple stuff it again they’re not trying to trick anyone or make this like crazy for anything it’s just documenting the information gotcha gotcha.

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Craig Hart: The question come in from Mark specific to the hazmat endorsement apple applications completed they’ve paid their fee they received their letter, but they can’t get the test done until after February 7 will they be covered under the old rules or the new rules because it’s an.

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Jeremy Rose: As far as I understand and I’ve spent a lot of time with these rules, as far as I understand.

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Jeremy Rose: Then you don’t have your endorsement on the Seventh and you’ve got to go through the entry level driver training.

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Jeremy Rose: That being said, right again I would contact your state licensing agency, because they might just say oh you qualify, you’re fine don’t worry about it right.

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Jeremy Rose: So I would double check that because that’s definitely in that kind of like gray area of you’re already in the process, the process just isn’t finalized.

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Jeremy Rose: And as far as I’m aware and I’ve read a lot of the ECFR of our back and forth and upside down and repeatedly talk to people etc. right.

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Jeremy Rose: No one has said anything the FMCSA doesn’t have any specific rules about.

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Jeremy Rose: where you are in that process, whether you’ve started that process or whether you finish that process all they really said is do you have your endorsement, yes, great know the do the training so.

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Craig Hart: awesome alright Ed of in Canada hey dad how you are doing this, is there any impact for newly licensed drivers entering from other countries, specifically, obviously, Canada and Mexico, the ones we see the most, but I don’t think these requirements impact those folks.

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Jeremy Rose: yeah, so to my understanding, know these requirements will not impact drivers from Canada or Mexico in any way, shape form or fashion, those countries have their own requirements for obtaining a CDL.

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Jeremy Rose: etc, etc, for driving a commercial motor vehicle and there are different requirements governing the ability for a driver to then drive, both in Canada and

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Jeremy Rose: the US right so that’s they’re still going to have to follow those rules right, these are not going to affect Canadian or Mexican drivers, probably in any way, shape form or fashion, I would imagine.

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Jeremy Rose: gotcha gotcha.

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Craig Hart: yeah.

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Craig Hart: These are all good questions that we’ve been receiving keep those coming in, on chat

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Craig Hart: to open chat if you haven’t done so it’s on your menu bar at the top there’s a button that says chat.

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Craig Hart: And if you click on that it’ll bring up a secondary window and then you can send it out at the very bottom there’s a section that says to.

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Craig Hart: And I would change that to everyone and that way everybody who is on the call with us today can see the questions that you’re asking because it may be questions that they have as well.

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Craig Hart: So go ahead and fire that up for you and before I forget because I’m old and sometimes that happens just wanted to throw up a quick question that if you did want us to.

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Craig Hart: Pass along your details about setting up a DEMO of the Platform, so we can have, what do you reach out to you.

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Craig Hart: That we can certainly do that and make that happen, and then we also for anyone who is participating in our webinar today, we do have a through our sister company BetterTruckDrivingJobs.com is offering a free year.

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Craig Hart: of job postings through the BetterTruckDrivingJobs.com platform for those folks to take advantage of and if you’d like to learn more about that.

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Craig Hart: Go ahead and respond to that question on the pole as well and, otherwise we are still here, for your questions, so if you have other things that you would like to ask us fire those off in chat so.

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Jeremy Rose: I know, previously, we kind of.

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Jeremy Rose: discussed Mark for example we’d kind of discuss some Frequently Asked Questions scenario, so if there’s anything that you want to talk about feel free to jump on stage.

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Craig Hart: Mark I know you’ve been having discussions with this behind the scenes, with different trucking companies and industry organizations, is there any scuttlebutt that people on the call with us today should be mindful of.

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Mark Rhea: The most common is the clearing house um explosion on the horizon or not, and of course we don’t have the answer to that, but it certainly appears that, on the theory side that Infinit-I Workforce has a package set up ready to go for clients.

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Mark Rhea: They will submit the information, accordingly, and you can invest your time and effort on the skills behind the wheel side is that is that a fair summary.

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Jeremy Rose: That are fair summary yeah.

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Mark Rhea: I think this is needed in our industry; I don’t think there’s anybody questioning that that there are being short cuts taken and.

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Mark Rhea: applaud Jeremy and his staff for the I’ve got assume thousands maybe multiple thousands of hours invested to develop all this content.

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Mark Rhea: And you have a package class A class B or hazmat I would assume in a template so which ready to go out at the end you also either have or in the process of connecting to the TPR to validate that completion is submitted, and of course the.

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Mark Rhea: clients can have their own certificate of completion, just in case it blows up and I, one of the questions is, can you schedule I’m going to presumed there will be no scheduled skill testing until there is a valid completion of ELDT in the system.

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Jeremy Rose: For years yeah I’m not sure exactly how that’s going to work out and it might end up depending on each different state, but my assumption is is probably going to be when you go to schedule things they’re going to check it is your information here, no, then you can’t.

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Mark Rhea: Go even before or became can even schedule So yes, now I agree with that and then the content will be like the other.

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Mark Rhea: 850 what you send out 300,000 a month content, which is short five to 10 minutes, followed by questions that are appropriate up to five to 10 I would assume is that the general format.

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Jeremy Rose: that’s correct that’s the general format that we try to keep though I will note, specifically for entry level driver training right some of the topics that are required to be covered by the FMCSA.

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Jeremy Rose: are a bit more robust in some of these scopes that they want covered.

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Jeremy Rose: So, our format tries to stick to that to the five to 10 minutes and arrow you’ll find a couple of outliers here or there, when we ran into topics where we were we just felt.

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Jeremy Rose: This can’t be covered in two shorter videos or three shorter videos This is very pertinent information to itself, it needs to stay together, basically, so you might find the occasional 12- or 14-minute video, but what we what we.

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Jeremy Rose: Completely avoid as much as possible is the scenario where it’s a 20- or 30-minute video because no one’s going to retain that information.

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Craig Hart: No, I agree, and having to take a quiz after you watch the 30-minute video you’re not going to remember what you watched at the beginning of that video by the time you get to the end of it so.

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Craig Hart: A couple additional questions have come in, while we’ve been chatting and mark this one’s from your good friend Andy out there and Sulphur springs.

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Craig Hart: Andrea can you just enroll in ELDT courses only I mean you can they will be part of the library that’s in the system that’s available to everyone that works with.

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Craig Hart: us so you can even assign out parts of the ELD training to non-driving staff, if you want to that was actually something to mark and.

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Craig Hart: Jeremy and I talked about before the call is that.

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Craig Hart: This isn’t necessarily a bad thing to spread this information around to people that.

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Craig Hart: won’t sit for the CDL.

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Craig Hart: test, because it is good information for them to know about this operation of a vehicle things that driver should be doing to maintain equipment.

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Craig Hart: To be doing the right thing on the road, I mean that’s not bad for dispatchers to know operations to know maintenance to know.

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Craig Hart: They understand what the drivers are being trained on so that is absolutely something you can do that will not be.

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Craig Hart: Well guess JEREMY if they’re just kind of picking and choosing the ELDT content that won’t necessarily be something that we report over unless they did manage to complete all of it.

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Jeremy Rose: Whenever as far as reporting goes right, we will only report on information that has been submitted to us right because there is specific information that we normally don’t.

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Jeremy Rose: require that is required by the FMCSA for the training provider registry, so will specifically require that information for individuals that a company wants us to submit that information for so.

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Jeremy Rose: Also, just to kind of like circle back on that question to if it’s coming from a different angle.

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Jeremy Rose: IE if it’s coming from the can you purchase just ELDT from Infinit-I rather than actually all of the rest of the services that Infinit-I provides I don’t have the specifics on that I’m not saying well.

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Jeremy Rose: But I do believe we are planning to.

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Craig Hart: honor that option for that.

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Jeremy Rose: yeah, so we are going to be offering that individually to where you can purchase you know I need to train my drivers for Class A CDL right so I’m just going to purchase the theory instruction for that period, so I do believe that is something that we are working towards.

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Craig Hart: that’s correct, that is correct, but for those of you who already are contracted with us we’re adding the ELDT content.

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Jeremy Rose: Actually.

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Craig Hart: No additional cost is no additional cost a big chunk of it is already there and has been there since you started working with us, you just may not have known it.

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Craig Hart: Because a lot of that content we have repurpose and updated over time coupling uncoupling pre trip post trip we’ve multiple modules in that section.

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Craig Hart: and so forth, so those things are already there to take advantage of we’re just expanding upon it to make sure that we have everything covered that they want so.

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Craig Hart: I see had another question how this affects trucking companies, if you are only having driver applicants that have attained their CDL this the ELD training.

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Craig Hart: is not something you have to worry about so.

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Jeremy Rose: Absolutely right, so the trucking industry and Mark can attest to this, the trucking industry is.

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Jeremy Rose: Such a diverse industry there’s all different types of companies that have all different kinds of hiring practices if you’re with a company.

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Jeremy Rose: That only hires individuals that already have all the qualifications that you need them to have they already have their CDL they already have all the endorsements that you need for them.

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Jeremy Rose: Then this affects you zero this, this will not affect you in any way, shape form or fashion, unless you are dealing with driver trainees that need to acquire their CDL or need to acquire an endorsement so excellent.

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Craig Hart: And then, if we want to use the Infinit-I of training program do we still have to register as a training provider not forward theory content we are already a registered training provider for that.

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Craig Hart: But for the behind the wheel, training and skills test, you would need to be registered as your own entity, because that’s the one piece we’re not sending JEREMY out to your depot to watch your guys drive or teach you guys how to drive he’s got his hands covered so he’s busy enough.

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Craig Hart: But but that would be the only situation is, if you wanted to then do that, behind the wheel, training and not necessarily there are third parties out there, that also facilitate that behind.

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Jeremy Rose: Your skills test.

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Craig Hart: So, it’s not a requirement that you become a TPR registered provider, but.

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Craig Hart: It is certainly an option and that’s one of the things that we were wanted to share today is that one we have this theory content piece locked up for you, so if you already worked with us you’re good to go if you want to work with us let’s talk more and we can get you good to go.

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Craig Hart: But yeah.

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Jeremy Rose: Absolutely a quick Google search of your local area is going to find you a behind the wheel training provider, I can guarantee that right so.

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Jeremy Rose: Excellent.

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Craig Hart: All right, well everyone we’re at our time today, we appreciate you joining us if you have any additional questions for Mr. JEREMY there are his contact information is details.

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Craig Hart: so that you can reach out to him privately, so you can respond to you with the answers that you need otherwise JEREMY, thank you for joining us today, this was very helpful very informative.

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Craig Hart: Mark it’s always a pleasure to see you, Sir, and we’re back at it again in 2022 and everyone else out there on the call with us, thank you for joining us and be safe out there, everybody, we appreciate you.

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Mark Rhea: February 7th.

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Craig Hart: February 7th.