Webinar Replay #31: Entry Level Driver Training for Student Transportation

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Craig Hart: Good morning, everybody, welcome to the entry level driver training for student transportation webinar today January 11, 2022, we all made it to 2022 hooray.

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Craig Hart: As we are waiting for folks to join us, I’ve got a couple introductions that I’d like to make, first and foremost, my name is Craig Hart.

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Craig Hart: I’m with Vertical Alliance Group, I am part of our events team, and my background is in distance learning.

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Craig Hart: primarily in the financial services industry before transitioning over to the transportation industry.

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Craig Hart: And my cohost for most of my webinars for the last year or so has been Mr. Mark Rhea. Mark is a former trucking executive, with over 35 years’ experience working with new drivers and bringing them on board.

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Craig Hart: Since he has retired from actively being in trucking executive though he still stays very much plugged into the transportation world he works with Community colleges.

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Craig Hart: consults with different organizations, both within and out of the transportation industry, focusing on.

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Craig Hart: kind of those forthcoming issues that we’re going to be dealing with like the electrification of fleets and so forth, so mark it’s lovely to have you with us here today, Sir appreciate your time.

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Craig Hart: And addition to Mark, we have JEREMY Rose now JEREMY is the video production manager.

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Craig Hart: With Vertical Alliance Group, and that title is probably not appropriate Jeremy’s basically been involved with the creation of every piece of training content that we have done.

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Craig Hart: for well over 10 years and for some of you out there who have gone through our training in the past, you may even be familiar with his voice.

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Craig Hart: When you hear him speak today, he is the person that manages the team that creates and puts together all the content, including the ELDT content.

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Craig Hart: Which is why we are thrilled to have him here with us today, and then last but not least.

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Craig Hart: We are joined by Leslie Smith and Leslie is our school specialist here on orange he handles our student transportation division.

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Craig Hart: She has done just about everything that you can do at our organization she began in our client success department and worked there for several years.

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Craig Hart: Helping organizations basically get as much out of the Platform, as they could, in terms of making sure that their drivers were trained.

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Craig Hart: That the reporting records were complete and that they were having a great experience with the platform.

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Craig Hart: That was before she transitioned over to basically do the same thing with our student transportation folks as well, so JEREMY, Leslie, thank you for joining us here today, we appreciate you.

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Leslie Smith: Thank you.

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Leslie Smith: Greg good morning, everyone.

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Mark Rhea: morning.

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Jeremy Rose: Good morning, everybody thanks for having me.

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Craig Hart: Now we’re going to talk a lot today about student transportation and for some of you on this call this may be a brand-new world that you are dipping your toe into.

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Craig Hart: For the very first time and we’re probably going to talk about some stuff that you may have some questions about that you would like to tackle offline and don’t want to ask on air.

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Craig Hart: And, and to that effect and one of the reasons that we have Leslie on board with us today is we do you can do demos of our platform, so we can show you exactly what we’re talking about today.

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Craig Hart: If you would like to set up a time with Leslie and we’ll share these details a little bit later in the presentation as well.

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Craig Hart: Here is her phone number and her email address, so that you can follow up with her directly.

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Craig Hart: She works with all our student transportation groups, both the school jurisdiction, as well as private companies to do student transportation.

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Craig Hart: she’s having these conversations all day, every day, at this point as school districts around the country are grappling with the challenge of making sure that they are set up for ELDT training.

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Craig Hart: One other thing I did want to make you all aware of is, this is a responsive event we’re not just here to talk at you, we want to talk with you, so if you do have questions about the material that we covered today, please ask and the easiest way to do that is.

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Craig Hart: In the.

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Craig Hart: menu bar at the top of your screen there’s a button that says chat go ahead and click on that and I’ll open up a secondary window and at the bottom of that window, there is a button that says two presenters and panelists.

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Craig Hart: You can change that, though, if you click on it to everyone and that way, anyone can see the questions that you ask of us because.

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Craig Hart: None of us is as smart, as all of us, and there are probably some questions that you have that may be shared by others, that would be valuable if they could get those answers as well, so please let us know.

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Craig Hart: If you have questions as we go through this and go ahead and fire up your chat and just to try it out, let us know who you are where you are from.

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Craig Hart: we’d love to hear from you so go ahead and do that right now.

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Craig Hart: Now let us talk about where does ELDT training fit into the grand scheme of the new driver licensing process well, obviously the CDL application, the commercial learner’s permit or the student or excuse me, the.

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Craig Hart: For student transportation as well, not necessarily for truck driving that we do work with those folks also.

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Craig Hart: Those steps have not changed this ELDT process, basically, is lodged in the middle of this pipeline.

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Craig Hart: And is composed of two different parts, the theory content training that needs to take effect and that’s what we’re going to discuss.

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Craig Hart: and focus on today, and then the behind the wheel training portion that needs to occur, and that will talk a little bit about how you can get set up.

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Craig Hart: As a training provider to accommodate that, for your company or school district as well.

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Craig Hart: And then the skills training skills test CDL from the state those pieces of the puzzle have not changed as well, so this middle box is where we are going to focus today and without further ado, Jeremy I will kick this over to us, you can get started, bringing everybody up to speed.

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Jeremy Rose: Thanks Greg hey everyone.

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Jeremy Rose: Once again, my name is JEREMY Rose, I am the video production manager for Infinit-I Workforce Solutions before we get too far into this, I do want to go ahead and throw out that I am slightly under the weather, so I apologize if I am.

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Jeremy Rose: A little fatigued or not, as energetic as, I might normally be or, if I have any coughing episodes or anything like that so fair warning.

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Jeremy Rose: will try to get through this as seamless as possible to so today we’re going to talk about entry level driver training.

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Jeremy Rose: The new training regulations from the FMCSA, please note that this presentation is designed for those who have little to no prior knowledge about entry level driver training what it is, or why it’s important.

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Jeremy Rose: If you’re already relatively familiar with the new regulations, then, most of this information is not going to be new to you.

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Jeremy Rose: That being said, there is a lot of specific, material to cover in these new regulations more than we have time to go over here if your question is not answered during this presentation.

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Jeremy Rose: There will be a Q&A event afterwards, so please don’t hesitate to submit a question for that.

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Jeremy Rose: Or if you’re the type that just likes to get your own hands dirty or you’d like to brush up on things yourself, all of this information is available online in the electronic code of federal regulations at www.eCFR.gov.

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Jeremy Rose: Specifically, under Title 49 part 380 at special training requirements you’ll also find more information about the training provider registry, which we will discuss at length at www.TPR.FMCSA.DOT.gov.

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Jeremy Rose: almost always do the DOT in that’s so I’m glad I got that right that this presentation will focus on general ELDT information, as well as specific information for Class B, S and P endorsements so let’s jump into things next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: What is entry level driver training beginning February 7, 2022, entry level drivers will be subject to the requirements in the entry level driver training or ELDT regulations.

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Jeremy Rose: The whole purpose of this is to set a minimum standard of training requirements for into level CDL holders these regulations are established by the FMCSA next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: Who does this apply to these new regulations apply specifically to drivers obtaining a class A or class B CDL for the first time.

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Jeremy Rose: Upgrading an existing class B CDL two a class A class CDL or obtaining a school bus S passenger P or hazardous materials, H endorsement for the first time, this is very specific right, these are all for the first time okay next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: What about current CDL holders ELDT regulations are not retroactive meaning the entry level driver training requirements do not apply to individuals holding a valid CDL or an S, P or H endorsement.

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Jeremy Rose: issued prior to February 7, 2022, if an applicant who obtained a commercial learner’s permit prior to February seventh, 2022, obtained a CDL before the CLP, or the renewed CLP expires, then the applicant is not subject to the ELDT requirements next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: Alright what’s the point of all this, the ELDT regulations establish a federal standard for training CDL applicants.

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Jeremy Rose: applicants must successfully complete this training before they will be permitted to take the CDL skills test or in the case of the H endorsement, the knowledge test.

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Jeremy Rose: This means that all new entry level drivers should have roughly the same amount of training, when they take their CDL or endorsement tests.

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Jeremy Rose: That desire here is to prevent untrained individuals from obtaining a CDL or endorsement and to make sure that all entry level drivers meet the necessary basic thresholds to safely operate a CMV.

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Jeremy Rose: Next slide.

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Craig Hart: I like to point out, Jeremy on this slide that.

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Craig Hart: To make very clear that there is no time requirement associated with the Federal standards so it’s not a 40-hour requirement and all drivers need to complete.

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Craig Hart: They have designated specific subjects that they want to make sure that drivers all have a basic understanding level four and be able to demonstrate that.

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Craig Hart: And so, we want you to know that this there’s no time requirement, so what we’re going to talk about when it comes to the theory training and the behind the wheel training.

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Craig Hart: While we are going to keep track of time that is spent, there is no minimum required that must be satisfied.

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Mark Rhea: And a CDL holder that needs to add these as endorsement is subjected is a required ELDT.

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Jeremy Rose: yeah, So if you already have a class B, for example, and you’re just seeking your S endorsement yeah, you will have to go through the S endorsement specific requirements for entry level driver training.

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Jeremy Rose: Each of the different individual class A class B, S, P and H, all have their own individual specific requirements so.

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Jeremy Rose: On so on new side or this life, now that we know who’s affected by entry level driver training regulations let’s talk a little bit about what the training looks like.

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Jeremy Rose: there’s no federally mandated amount of training time that a driver training must complete for entry level driver training the FMCSA only requires that training cover all topics set forth by the FMCSA.

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Jeremy Rose: The required topics are broken into two sections theory and behind the wheel behind the wheel is broken into two further sections range and public road.

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Jeremy Rose: As a note Infinit-I Workforce Solutions as a platform only handles online training so I’ll only be covering the theory portion of the training here.

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Jeremy Rose: But if you have questions about the behind the wheel training, please do not hesitate to ask me during the Q&A section okay next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: Are there different requirements, the ELDT regulations are the same for Class A and B, as well as S, P, and H endorsements there are no special regulations that must be followed for the different classes or endorsements.

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Jeremy Rose: outside of the different topics that must be covered for clarity what I mean by that is there’s nothing that you must do as far as ELDT regulations go to get your class B compared to getting your class A.

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Jeremy Rose: Other than that, the topics, you must train on are going to be slightly different no class or endorsement has a hidden specific amount of time or otherwise differing requirement there’s just different topics.

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Jeremy Rose: Due to the nature of school bus operators requiring a class B, S, and P endorsements school bus driver trainees, will have to deal with more topic requirements and potential overlaps than your average driver training.

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Jeremy Rose: For example, training on railroad crossings is required for Class B s amp P endorsement driver trainees, meaning it’s quite likely that a school bus driver training will train on these topics multiple times, depending on.

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Jeremy Rose: When they are obtaining their class B, there S endorsement their P endorsement, etc.

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Jeremy Rose: Next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: Remember there’s no required amount of time for ELDT you just must cover all of the topics set forth by the FMCSA for each class or endorsement.

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Jeremy Rose: The FMCSA has established 29 training topics for Class B, 18 training topics for passenger endorsement, and 11 training topics for school bus endorsement.

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Jeremy Rose: meaning a school bus driver training, starting from scratch will have 58 topics, they will need to be trained on for the theory portion of their entry level driver training.

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Jeremy Rose: As I said earlier in Infinit-I Workforce Solutions is only a theory training provider, so I won’t cover the behind the wheel topics in depth.

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Jeremy Rose: But just as a heads up there are 18 topics for Class B, 6 for passenger endorsement and 6 or school bus endorsement.

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Jeremy Rose: Some of you might have seen the number 63 thrown around as the required number of topics for a school bus driver trainee That is because the topics in class B are broken out into five different sections.

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Jeremy Rose: Some people have mistakenly added the section titles, to the list of required topics that is unnecessary training on the 29 topics of class B covers all the parameters of those five sections.

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Jeremy Rose: But it’s not going to hurt anything if the train you utilize has a few additional topics.

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Jeremy Rose: As a note I do want to clarify this just because there are, for instance 58 topics required that doesn’t necessarily mean that your training program is going to have 58 videos, for example.

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Jeremy Rose: Taking into account our training program, for example on Infinit-I Workforce Solutions we cover a lot of the topics in shorter videos five-to-eight-minute videos.

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Jeremy Rose: And some of the topics are too broad, to cover in that short of an amount of time, so we’ll have multiple videos covering a single topic that’s just a clarity that I wanted to throw out there next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: So what are the topics I won’t read through all of these but we’ll leave them on screen for a brief moment, once again, all of this information is on the electronic code of federal regulations website www.ecfr.gov.

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Jeremy Rose: The sections for Class B our basic operation, safe operating procedures, advanced operating practices, vehicle systems and reporting malfunctions, and non-driving activities.

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Jeremy Rose: Please note that if you are interested in researching this information yourself the FMCSA has listed each of these topics with a prompt explaining the minimum information that must be required or must be covered by these topics.

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Jeremy Rose: that’s too much information to cover in this presentation, but if you have questions about a specific topic, please let me know during the Q&A next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: Here are the topics for the passenger endorsement, once again I won’t read through all of them, but we will leave them on the screen briefly.

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Jeremy Rose: Passenger endorsement covers several topics that coincide or overlap directly with the school bus endorsement topics and as school.

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Jeremy Rose: safety directors or school bus drivers or whatever your role is you’re going to be familiar with the differentiation between the passenger endorsement and the S endorsement.

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Jeremy Rose: you’re going to know the stuff that doesn’t apply to you, most of the time and the stuff that does apply to you, so that shouldn’t be a big hassle next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: And here are the school bus endorsement topics, most of this stuff is pretty standard again it’s meant to be the FMCSAs goal here isn’t to reinvent the wheel, just to standardize the training that it takes to get behind one.

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Jeremy Rose: Next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: So after all of that information, how do you actually go about getting training The short answer is to either find a training provider or to become one.

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Jeremy Rose: But this is where things get a little more complicated to monitor and regulate these new requirements, the FMCSA has created the training provider registry.

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Jeremy Rose: training providers, for entry level driver training must be listed on the training provider registry and, yes, that includes you if you are training your driver trainings.

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Jeremy Rose: Becoming an approved training provider requires submitting an electronic application to the training provider registry.

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Jeremy Rose: Self certifying that you meet all ELDT requirements, affirming under penalty of perjury that you will only teach the prescribed ELDT curriculum and for clarity, I want to, I want to circle back around on this.

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Jeremy Rose: This means that you can’t teach anything, contrary to what the FMCSA is prescribing you can teach more than what the FMCSA has required.

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Jeremy Rose: But you can’t teach anything that goes against or is contrary to what the FMCSA has requested okay.

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Jeremy Rose: And then you also must maintain documentation proving ELDT compliance in the event of an audit.

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Jeremy Rose: Once a training provider has been accepted, to the TPR there’ll be assigned a unique training provider ID number which will appear on a driver trainees record in the commercial driver’s license information system.

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Jeremy Rose: Next slide please.

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Jeremy Rose: So, registering to become a training provider is actually a very simple process you just go to trp.fmcsa.dot.gov.

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Jeremy Rose: You click on training providers, you click on register now, as you can see right there.

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Jeremy Rose: And from here it’s a very simple process of following the registration instructions basic information you’ll need on hand is your contact information, the information for your company school organization whatever the case may be, and any relevant affiliations, for your company.

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Jeremy Rose: After that you’ll need to enter a waiting period where the FMCSA will approve your registration request.

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Jeremy Rose: This must be done before you can register training locations or invite additional users to the TPR on your path, this is normally a relatively short process when we went through ours, we got approved within I think about 24 hours.

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Jeremy Rose: And in subsequent tests, the longest I think we’ve had to wait as about 48 hours to see if we could get approval for something else so it’s a very quick process, the closer that we get to this February 7 deadline.

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Jeremy Rose: I would expect that more and more people more and more schools’ companies etc. are going to be trying to get registered and get this taken care of.

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Jeremy Rose: So that might become a bottleneck, I would really recommend if you were going to register on the TPR as a training provider you go ahead and try to get that taken care of sooner rather than later, to avoid any sort of issue with the registration approval okay next slide please.

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Craig Hart: let’s every we had one question that came in on chat there was someone that.

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Craig Hart: says they have gone through this process and they’ve been approved with their green checkmark for their individual, but they are struggling with the

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Craig Hart: section to register training locations and I know that you and I have talked a little bit about parts of this website that are not active yet and

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Craig Hart: I did not know what your experience has been with that registering training locations if that has been problematic and what resources might be available to them to resolve that issue.

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Jeremy Rose: So, there are going to be resources on the TPR there should be a Q&A section of Frequently Asked Questions section that I would reference first initially.

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Jeremy Rose: Then there’s also a section a listing on the TPR where you can ask questions where you can you report issues or bugs or features like that are getting communication with someone.

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Jeremy Rose: That would be the route that I would go ahead and go there and, unfortunately, for us, we don’t have a training location, because we’re a theory online provider so.

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Jeremy Rose: You haven’t I don’t have any real experience, having gone through that that’s one of the five questions that you might ask me that I don’t have a good response for so.

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Jeremy Rose: I got to keep you on your toes, but I would definitely.

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Craig Hart: escalate that, though.

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Jeremy Rose: For yeah.

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Craig Hart: That is challenged by that, because if that’s impacting your organization guys, this is new technology and, as with any new government technology rollout there are.

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Craig Hart: federal components in play, there are also state elements that are in play, not all states are moving at the same rate of

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Craig Hart: technical proficiency to make sure that all the buttons work the automatic feeds work there are going to be some challenges as this launches that.

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Craig Hart: We just need to be aware of that that there could we as we experience when they rolled out the drug and alcohol Clearing House back in January of 2020 it broke because of the responsive information coming through they were not prepared for that, so the potential exists.

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Craig Hart: But if that’s challenge that you’re having right now absolutely escalate that because that may be a profound bug in the system that’s not only tripping up your organization it’s impacting other people as well and needs to be resolved before February 7.

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Jeremy Rose:  100% yes so go to the frequently asked questions section first see if that answers your question if that doesn’t there’s a registration tutorial video.

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Jeremy Rose: That you should be able to its linked right on the front of the training providers, page so check that and see if that goes through.

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Jeremy Rose: The process for you and answers your question there and then, if that doesn’t work right absolutely contact someone there should be a contact button to allow you to submit a bug report or an issue or something like that.

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Jeremy Rose: Alright, so let’s say you want to become a registered trainer on the TPR to do that, you must meet one of the two following qualifications.

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Jeremy Rose: There are of course some exceptions to these rules number one being an instructor is not required to hold a CDL of the same or higher class and with all endorsements necessary to operate the CMV for which training has to be provided.

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Jeremy Rose: So, let’s say you’re a driver training and you go through all the required motions of ELDT what happens after you complete your training.

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Jeremy Rose: And that’s really it for the basics of ELDT as far as regulations go this one is honestly relatively benign most of this training, especially from a school’s perspective is already being done or should be being done.

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Jeremy Rose: The ELDT regulations are just helping to standardize what is required and the creation of the TPR helps organize them streamline the information and tracking process that should go into this type of training.

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Craig Hart: Okay now one thing, and I know I was talking with Leslie about this she shared this with me after I have this conversation with her that.

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Craig Hart: Yes, you do have to report the behind the wheel training that you do she had encountered some folks in her conversations out there that were like.

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Craig Hart: Oh, we’re just going to keep it here on file with ourselves will be fine no, you have to report it, it has to be in the TPR because that’s how it gets communicated electronically back to your state.

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Jeremy Rose: Prepare ahead of time and be prepared for things to not go smoothly, at least initially, my expectation would be probably within the first 3-6 months, things will get smoothed out with this whole process but will we’re just going to have to wait and see how things go.

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Craig Hart: Excellent now again we covered a ton of information today, as some of you, I know are already firing off your questions in chat and the Q&A that’s awesome keep those coming we’re going to be.

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Craig Hart: But, again, I wanted to put up the details to get Ahold of Leslie some of you have already been interacting with her in chat that I have seen.

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Craig Hart: She can do individualized sessions for each one of the folks on the call with us today, probably takes what Leslie about 25-30 minutes.

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Craig Hart: On those sorts of nuts-and-bolts thing and then also what is the reporting look like on the back end so that you can see how that’s all recorded as well, so if that’s something that you would like to take advantage of Leslie is doing those calls all day every day.

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Craig Hart: She would love to talk with you, so please contact her phone number or email address down there on the screen all right, Jeremy first and we’ll start with Mark because mark always has questions for you, so Mark, what do you got for JEREMY today.

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Mark Rhea: Well, just to make sure the content that Infinit-I and Jeremy and his team that have invested probably thousands of hours is deliverable through Apps on cell phones.

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Craig Hart: administer the program from your cell phone if you really wanted to in terms of being able to pull reports or assign out training so.

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Craig Hart: When you come on board with us, we have our client success team that will walk you through the process of how to deploy that APP so that your folks can take advantage of that, but that is something that that we do have available so.

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Mark Rhea: The requirements are there you’re going to be expected to do it and you will be expected to provide these details if you are involved in litigation as a part of the discovery process

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Jeremy Rose: JEREMY you’re ready for the questions let’s fire them off let’s go.

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Craig Hart: All right, we’ll trainers that are under the two-year threshold qualify as a trainer on the registry, or should they be used as a training assistant and just not sign off on the final training.

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Jeremy Rose: Absolutely that second one right so when you are registered on the TPR you’re going to be registered as an organization, rather than a single individual.

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Jeremy Rose: you’ll be able to add more users to that scenario, but if those users do not qualify right if those training providers do not qualify.

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Jeremy Rose: Under the list of qualifications that we read off earlier than they won’t be valid training providers they can still administer the training that is set forth by a valid training provider.

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Jeremy Rose: it’s just that other individuals going to have to be the final person that that is responsible for everything.

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Craig Hart: Maximum I think that answered a couple questions that we had coming through chat, but I’ll go through those.

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Jeremy Rose: Their time limit between oh okay between completing your ELDT requirements and then actually going and taking your skills test.

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Jeremy Rose: Not to my knowledge, I believe that the intent there right is you’re going to have to have your CLP to get this done right, so the time limitation is basically going to be.

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Craig Hart: which obviously is not the point that the TPR it’s not what the DOT wants people who are going to be coming candidates to do so.

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Craig Hart: If a see if a driver has the class A CDL has never driven a school bus but wants to become a school bus driver and your trainer is a class B, CDL are they able to train that class A driver.

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Jeremy Rose: So, once you do that, you’re perfectly fine and your regular trainer that does normally does class B, S and P, is more than capable of doing the S & P portion that way yeah absolutely.

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Craig Hart: think we already answered if you have several trainers do, they all must be registered, or does the organization register and then the trainers are underneath that organization with one of them designated as the training provider contact.

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Jeremy Rose: John Doe was responsible for this training Jane was responsible for this training that’s fine right if they meet the qualifications.

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Craig Hart: All right here I’m going to throw up and then this next slide here because it pertains to this question we’re about to be asked, someone was asking about where they can obtain the behind the wheel topics and Info those are located on the website.

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Jeremy Rose: ecfr.gov title 49 part 380 at special and retraining requirements is going to have the behind the wheel sections for all of the different.

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Mark Rhea: Clarification JEREMY the individuals that complete the ELDT through the Infinit-I system that will be.

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Jeremy Rose: No drop in reporting or tracking that information also for clarity Craig can I post links in the chat.

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Jeremy Rose: What the requirements are for the theory first and then behind the wheel second and that’ll be broken again into range and public road for clarity okay.

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Craig Hart: Excellent now we’d have had a couple people ask us there will be a replay of this presentation available, yes, there will be.

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Craig Hart: We will send out a follow up email with both the presentation slideshow as well as the video recording.

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Craig Hart: So that is coming We just have to crunch, the video down once we end our call today, we will get that out this week to you all to review.

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Craig Hart: All right here, what are the costs to belong to Infinit-I John that’s a fantastic question and I will say that you need to talk to Leslie.

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Craig Hart: So we’ll have Leslie reach out to you after the webinar is over today because they don’t tell Mark or JEREMY or me any of that stuff, but it does vary by.

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Mark Rhea: Maybe worry seven is that the date again JEREMY.

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Jeremy Rose: February 7, 2022, we are very close, less than a month away.

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Craig Hart: All right here question if we have a new driver and they do online theory courses through you guys, we will still have to find them a place to do behind the wheel training before they can take their CDL test that is correct.

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Craig Hart: Yes, now Leslie since you have been talking with schools about this, I know, obviously schools can become their own.

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Leslie Smith: Yes, and there’s some schools out there that are smaller and they have people that do not want to register for the behind the wheel so they’d go to another district or a school that’s close by to them that has a behind the wheel provider and they just do all the information for them.

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Craig Hart: Excellent so that might be an option if you don’t have the ability to be or furnish your own behind the wheel training provider so and, of course, there are also professional schools that are out there, doing that kind of training.

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Craig Hart: All right, where can we preview the ELDT training on Infinit-I from Denise that’s actually a great thing to talk to Leslie about on that DEMO.

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Jeremy Rose: Right, that was a very recent change that we made and we’re going to be continuing to make those adjustments over the course of the next few weeks, as we lead into that February 7 deadline.

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Jeremy Rose: we’re working on getting passenger endorsement up as we kind of speak right now and within the next week or so, will also be moving towards adjusting our class A and class B content as well.

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Craig Hart: All right, another question here, so if I have a driver who has the class B and just needs the S endorsement, they will need the training and the drive time or actually would it just be for the S endorsement.

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Jeremy Rose: Is there so it’s just going to be the S&P Horsemen right, so if it’s whichever.

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Jeremy Rose: The design of this is intended to be specific, for whatever the.

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Jeremy Rose: class or endorsement you’re looking for us, so if they’ve already got their class be great fantastic, they don’t have to worry about getting their class B ELDT they’re good to go.

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Jeremy Rose: But if they need that S endorsement, they will have to take the ELDT for S endorsement both the theory portion and the behind the wheel training.

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Jeremy Rose: that’s why I was talking about earlier for school bus driver trainees, especially since you guys must go through the class B, S, and P endorsement.

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Jeremy Rose: it’s a lot of content to get through if you’re starting from scratch, but if you’re starting with your class B, or maybe you were already a motor coach driver, you know that type of thing you’ve already got the P endorsement, it can be a lot less work to go through at that point.

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Craig Hart: Where the TPR number supersede the state number that is provided by some states to trainers already.

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Jeremy Rose: I don’t know that it’s going to supersede it necessarily I think they will probably just be separate numbers right, this is a federal mandate, this is coming from a federal level.

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Jeremy Rose: So, whatever your state requirements currently are it’s going to be you’ll have to do this from the Federal standpoint your state may or may not adjust their requirements, because of these federal requirements later on down the road so that’s going to be dependent on each State basically.

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Craig Hart: Oh here’s one, I can answer, how many topics are needed for Class a we didn’t actually cover that in today’s slideshow because of the need for bus drivers to get the class B, but it’s 30 topics versus the 29 topics for Class B, so we can follow up with some details for you after.

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Craig Hart: That that.

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Craig Hart: What those subtle changes there so but.

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Jeremy Rose: there’s a.

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Craig Hart: number.

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Craig Hart: of topics so.

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Jeremy Rose: single topic difference between class A and class B and I have no prizes to give out, but I will give Internet cookies to whoever can guess what that single topic is in chat.

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Craig Hart: right here what control will state have over the individual states have over the training requirements at the current time I don’t think they I’m sure they have.

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Craig Hart: A valid entity PR but.

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Jeremy Rose: Basically, right so again, this is a federal mandate.

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Jeremy Rose: Right, this is coming from the FMCSA on a federal level state later on down the road and some States might already be doing this right.

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Jeremy Rose: Unfortunately, there’s too many of them for me to keep track at the moment, but some States might already be adjusting their requirements to coincide with this new regulation.

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Jeremy Rose: But there is no requirement that they do so, so it’s entirely possible so for again for Texas, for example, I know that there are already strict training requirements for getting.

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Jeremy Rose: Your CDL or getting into a school bus operation from transportation perspective right so it’s very possible that you’re going to have to meet the requirements.

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Jeremy Rose: For both this the FMCSA ELDT requirements, as well as your state requirements so just keep that in mind.

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Jeremy Rose: But at the same time, a lot of the stuff that you’re going to be covering is the same stuff so you’re probably going to be able to do a two birds one stone style situation right it’s just a matter of.

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Jeremy Rose: making sure that all the topics are covered and documenting that that training happens.

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Craig Hart: All right, here’s one we haven’t had before, is there something added to a trainer CLD that shows, they are trainer.

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Craig Hart: To the best of my knowledge, that does not occur, the only where the only place that information will be maintained, would be in the TPR.

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Jeremy Rose: Absolutely not yeah exactly so again, this is going to be one of those scenarios where it’s kind of like scout’s honor right.

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Jeremy Rose: If you are on the training provider registry and you have a training provider or you are a training provider, if you don’t meet those qualifications, where the government is basically the FMCSA is basically going about this on the scenario of.

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Jeremy Rose: Expecting everyone to do what’s right until the truth, etc, etc, and.

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Jeremy Rose: There will be audits I’m going to throw this out there, I expect within the first year for there to be a lot of auditing for this system.

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Jeremy Rose: Just to make sure that everyone is doing what they should be doing so keep that in mind right don’t try to shortchange anything don’t try to find any loopholes or anything for this just do what’s being required.

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Craig Hart: And I’m sure, with the purposes of the audit the goal, there is not to find fault with companies that are registered it’s to make sure that the process is communicating.

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Craig Hart: Is for at.

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Craig Hart: But there may be people who are cutting corners that might get caught up in that we don’t want that to be anybody who is on our call with us today.

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Craig Hart: Absolutely.

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Craig Hart: couple questions about the time frame here to the training must complete both the theory and the behind the wheel training.

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Craig Hart: Before they take their written CDL test or can they complete the theory take the written test and then don’t do behind the wheel and do the driving.

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Jeremy Rose: So this might be another thing that is state specific the FMCSA is relatively vague on the requirements for that the FMCSA just says that you must complete your ELDT your entry level driver training before taking your skills test so um.

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Craig Hart: It is.

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Craig Hart: The wheel first.

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Craig Hart: If you wanted to.

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Jeremy Rose: write you could do your email dt in any particular order.

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Jeremy Rose: But as far as the FMCSA is concerned, you should be finished with all your ELDT before you progress further in the process of getting your CDL.

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Jeremy Rose: Now some of the States might have different requirements for that or they might have different processes for that.

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Jeremy Rose: My recommendation is going to be to contact whoever your normal contact is with your state licensing agency again with a lot of schools or organizations that do a lot of this type of training.

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Jeremy Rose: that have already been doing a lot of their own ELDT in the past.

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Jeremy Rose: you’re going to have someone that you already talked to you that you’re already familiar with just contact that person and ask them hey what’s up, is there any new process for this or Do I need to.

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Jeremy Rose: Do all of this training before I call you and set up my appointment, so that would be my recommendation for that.

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Craig Hart: All right, we understand that here’s one that we’ve had before we understand there’s a comprehension test required at the end of the theory training is that a test after each module.

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Craig Hart: or one final test at the completion of all modules and I’ll speak a little bit to this, and I think that.

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Craig Hart: That comprehensive test it gets confused with comprehensive score.

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Craig Hart: And the way our quizzes are structured, we have one after every single module now, we talked about the 29 topics under class B that doesn’t necessarily mean we’re one for one on training modules are actually will be several more than that.

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Craig Hart: But at the end of every one of those five to eight minute modules there will be a quiz.

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Craig Hart: Multiple choice that the individual does have to pass with an 80% or better before they can move forward into subsequent material, so the score comprehensively for everyone going through our platform will be 80% but we don’t lean on a single, comprehensive test.

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Craig Hart: One because depending on the time frame that people are studying, they could potentially be studying I know Leslie mentioned this a little bit.

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Craig Hart: is probably looking at between five and 10 hours of training time total to go through those 29 topics.

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Craig Hart: If you’re testing at the end of our 10 of things that they learned in our one.

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Craig Hart: That is going to be a very challenging learning experience, whereas testing multiple times as they’re moving along through the process will be a better.

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Craig Hart: Approximation of what they are gleaning in the moment do they have mastery of it excellent move on to the next subject so they can focus on that.

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Jeremy Rose: yeah, and for more clarity on that particular topic right the FMCSA again is vague in their requirements as the FMCSA is want to be.

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Jeremy Rose: They it’s just a must pass an 80% for the testing right that no recommendations or requirements on what the testing must be.

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Jeremy Rose: Just that it has to cover the topics required the way we do it as we test on each individual video that you will be watching in the theory instruction.

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Jeremy Rose: But that is not required, as far as the FMCSA is concerned, my one stipulation that I would always say is again if you’re going to be on the TPR or if you’re going to be your own training provider just make sure that whatever you’re doing.

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Jeremy Rose: doesn’t look.

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Jeremy Rose: Bad right like if you’re if you’re going to be audited make sure that someone doesn’t walk in and go oh, you’re doing a four question test for the entirety of your training so okay that doesn’t look good right make sure your testing your people appropriately.

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Craig Hart: Exactly and the way ours are structure we do keep the quizzes separate from the material so it’s not an open book quiz where they can go back and immediately reference the sections that we’re asking questions on they are.

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Craig Hart: separated, because we do want to protect that integrity of the information that people are doing, are they taking.

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Craig Hart: These quizzes legitimately off of the information that they have learned to memorize from the section that they just watched and if I haven’t a side by side, then I can’t claim that same thing with tracking time, yes, we, there is no time requirement, but if we have 29 subjects.

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Craig Hart: And it shows is 30 seconds of total study time.

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Craig Hart: that’s going to raise questions at the DOT about what exactly is occurring in this training program that’s a giant red flag, we see that on our safety training side of things, all the time.

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Craig Hart: If you’re doing safety training and it’s a minute piece of content, you knock it out in 15 seconds, what did you really learn, so we try and avoid that by keeping those things separate.

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Craig Hart: Once you are a certified trainer do you have to train anyone that wants it, or can you just train your employees that’s a good question I didn’t know JEREMY on the TPR does it specify for a registered provider if they are only training internal staff or if they are training or open.

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Jeremy Rose: yeah, you are not required to be a publicly available to train whoever is a is applying to learn through you now there are.

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Jeremy Rose: There are some minor requirements as far as being on the TPR goes but you’re there’s the big difference between private entities and public entities.

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Jeremy Rose: And all the regulations that normally govern those two differences and govern being a public entity in the right to refuse service and blah blah blah those still apply here right so.

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Jeremy Rose: The basic ground for your question is no you don’t you don’t have to train anyone and everyone once you’re on the training provider registry, especially from a school perspective if you’re going to be on the TPR you’re just training your drivers no worries.

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Craig Hart: All right here a couple other questions for you to do to.

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Craig Hart: Cover that one will Infinit-I be uploading the completed theory test scores and TPR yeah yes, we do if you use us as your theory content provider, we take care of all the reporting requirements back to the TPR.

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Craig Hart: We have actually a very specific window of time that we have to respond back completed training to the TPR so we handle that, so you don’t have to.

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Jeremy Rose: Yes, absolutely I think a couple of people have touched on that topic, but if you’re doing the theory portion through us your students will do that theory portion through us and then that’s it all we submit all of the rest of the information to the TPR directly.

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Craig Hart: So, the 29 modules for Class B the

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Craig Hart: S and P.

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Craig Hart: We have that content covered; it would just be the behind the wheel portion that you.

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Craig Hart: would be responsible for based off the requirements listed on this website and the section.

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Craig Hart: On that you will want to make sure that you cover effectively with your folks and that will be the training that you sign off on and report the hours that driver training spent.

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Craig Hart: Doing that behind the wheel training so and that would be something that you would report directly through the TPR and it’s a simple form, it is not live on the website, yet, but it’s.

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Craig Hart: All the things that JEREMY broke out earlier, that need to be included there’s basically a field for each one of those things, so it lets you know very clearly what you need to keep track of for each individual.

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Craig Hart: Well, everybody, thank you for your time day we are at our closing moment, some of you have asked if you could get a better overview of our program and again, I’ll kick that back over.

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Craig Hart: that’s why Leslie is joining us today that’s what she does, day in and day out, is talk about the platform, how it works, where the content is located, how it is assigned out I would is track.

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Craig Hart: And report it, so please reach out to her information below and she can reach out to you and set up some time that works for both of your schedules again probably 25-30 minutes tops to knock that out she’s very good at what she does.

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Craig Hart: But again, we will be sending out a recording of this information as well.

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Craig Hart: If you do have additional information or questions rather that we haven’t had a chance to ask can certainly ask them offline of JEREMY.

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Craig Hart: And he will be able to get those answers back to you by email and his email addresses on the screen right now and again, we will.

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Craig Hart: provide the replay to everyone who attended today also so that you can review this information at a future time, but we appreciate you joining us here today.

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Craig Hart: Mark, Leslie, JEREMY Thank you again for your time we appreciate all of you, and everyone out there that joined us thank you, and please stay safe out there, everyone have a great day.