Webinar Replay #52: Truck Parking: Driver Safety, Load Safety & Efficiency

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Steve Kessler: Good afternoon, everybody welcome to the Infinit-I Workforce Solutions Fast Forward Webinars Series.

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Steve Kessler: Appreciate y’all taking some of your time to join us this afternoon.

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Steve Kessler: We have a really good program set up for today. It’s a very, very important topic, especially in the

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Steve Kessler: trucking industry and that’s about truck parking.

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Steve Kessler: So our topic today is truck parking driver safety, load safety and efficiency. So it’s a very timely subject. I think over the years. It’s been one of the top industry issues, and certainly probably number one for most truck drivers out there.

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Steve Kessler: Before we get started. Just a couple of housekeeping items

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Steve Kessler: you all are muted out there, so we can’t hear you. So if you have a question or a comment, you can type into the chat box that’s there. There’s also a QA box that you can put your questions in. And what we’re gonna try to do is take those questions toward the end of the webinar

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Steve Kessler: so we can let our guest present their information. So why don’t you all just jump in the chat that tells who you are, where you’re from, what company you work for. And while you’re doing that, I’m gonna introduce a couple of other folks here.

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Steve Kessler: I’ll also wanna introduce Mark Ray. Most of you that have been on our webinars before. Probably know Mark. He’s a regular host on the on the program. Mark’s an industry executive veteran in this business about 35 plus years.

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Mark Rhea: So Mark, what do you think about today’s topic. Oh, truck parking! In my opinion, maybe the most studied with the least actionable solutions of any issue that I can think of. We got a great speaker today. Scott Grenerth.

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Mark Rhea: It impacts all facets of our industry. And again, it’s been studied and studied. Anybody that has been around says, Yeah, we got a problem. But what are we going to do about it? And the other thing I would mention, Steve is

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Mark Rhea: It’s a excellent opportunity for some customized content that you can develop for your staff. For trip planning specific to truck parking, which is a huge issue. So Scott’s gonna give us a lot of input. He’s passionate about this. He’s emotionally attached to providing a solution for our industry. So I’m really looking forward to today’s workshop.

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Steve Kessler: I certainly am, too, and I think most of our guests are so let me move on and introduce our guest. Our our subject matter expert today is Scott Grenerth.

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Steve Kessler: Scott has over a million miles of safe driving as a company driver and owner, operator of his own equipment. So he’s he’s a walk to walk. He’s lived life so he understands it as well as anybody, you know, throughout Scott’s career he’s been an advocate for truckers at the State and Federal level.

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Steve Kessler: He served on the Entry Level Driver Training Advisory Committee to create the first ever Federal CDL standards and has testified before Congress

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Steve Kessler: regarding regulatory matters.

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Steve Kessler: Scott’s involvement with the truck parking issue has included hosting a National Coalition on Truck Parking, regional meeting and serving as a champion for the State, Regional and Local Government Coordination group for that coalition

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Steve Kessler: Scott works for truck specialized parking services

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Steve Kessler: where he works with the public and private sector to provide truck parking. Sol.

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Steve Kessler: So I want all of you to welcome Scott Grenerth. Welcome, Scott.

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Scott Grenerth: alright. Thank you. There, Steve, absolutely. And and thank you. Mark, for that comment about being personally involved in it. You you nailed it very well there, absolutely.

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Scott Grenerth: So so yeah, we do. We just about me. Ultra. Briefly, as we like, as Steve said, there we help drivers find parking, and we help to create new parking capacity. That’s the bottom line of it there, what we’re doing, and next slide, Steve.

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Scott Grenerth: Then again about me. Indeed, I’ve been there and done a lot with drive vans have very highly specialized flatbed, hauling

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Scott Grenerth: and hauling a covered wagon flat there with a covered wagon on it behind there, and couple of years ago helped out some friends who just needed some help with the farming near where I live, and all. I figured out about a quarter 1 million pounds of grain. Over that harvest season. So

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Scott Grenerth: done quite a few things out there next.

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okay?

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Scott Grenerth: And so today, I want to hit on are these key points here

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Scott Grenerth: looking at ultra quick overview. Not because you all need to be told that there’s a problem with truck parking. I just wanna help you just get a little better idea where I come from with it. Very briefly.

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Scott Grenerth: looking at the impacts, how widespread they are and where that comes in

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Scott Grenerth: also because of some of those meetings that Steve mentioned in Intro, there being involved with things I’ve got a real good pulse on what’s going on out there like you didn’t know what that is that’s been done is ongoing some future thoughts

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Scott Grenerth: and definitely hitting on. How can we be part of the solution. I wanna I hope that’s a big part of your thoughts and comments at the end of you all thinking, what can we do there, both as

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Scott Grenerth: sending drivers out there as carriers, and is saying, Hey, is there a way we can actually be involved in the truck parking solution?

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Scott Grenerth: So next.

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Scott Grenerth: So part of that ultra quick intro here, and hit it one more time. There, Steve. and

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Scott Grenerth: There you go, and one more. I forget. This is the one where that does the and one more sorry about that. I forgot. This slide pops up with

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Scott Grenerth: 4 different things there. Obviously, you all know taking time. Oh, can you go back, Steve? I’m sorry.

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Scott Grenerth: Yeah, with the 4. Yeah, there we go. We got it. How long it takes to park is a key thing the studies out there have been done show. It takes a lot of time.

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Scott Grenerth: and you know, with ELD’s being involved as they are these days. And for a while now we know that along with the hours of service, to really take it full circle is the, you know problem there. I’ll never forget. When I was hauling well, one of the last just general freight loads I hauled a few years ago.

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Scott Grenerth: Just help now a local carrier part time that I cut back to the terminal with 30 seconds on my ELD. So I’ll never forget that 30 seconds. So anyhow, now, and we all know well, there, you know plenty of good officers out there that would never write someone up for going over by a few seconds. You all also know there’s that other one over there that would. So we know it’s an issue. It’s a crunch, and at the bottom left there with the exclamation point

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Scott Grenerth: is a key point.

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Scott Grenerth: When we look at where the solutions come from, keep in mind. On average, it’s about 10% of all truck parking inventory in this average state

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Scott Grenerth: is actually provided by the State by the public government entity there. That means the whole entire remainder is private sector. So when you think about where the solutions come from. Clearly, private sectors gotta be involved. But there’s nothing stopping the States from doing things too.

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Scott Grenerth: Next.

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Scott Grenerth: So when we look at how that all fits in here.

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Scott Grenerth: this huge, huge stress out there is that first item, massive, massive stress for drivers. And I know for you all, too, at the carrier level, because the implications affect everybody that that if there’s ever a domino effect

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Scott Grenerth: boy shippers and receivers, they’re the ones that push that first domino, get it going, because with as long as they’re controlling the time

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Scott Grenerth: when you, as a responsible trucker out there, start off saying I got plan A, I got plan B, I got plan C. I’ve got good friends out there to this day who still, I mean, they’re still driving.

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Scott Grenerth: and they start their day out with plan A, B and C and D, but as it says, they’re

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Scott Grenerth: you could end up using the whole darn alphabet when you’re sitting there for 4 h waiting to get loaded and unloaded. And now, when you thought you had a good plan and a backup plan, now it’s much later in the day, and you’re in an area you don’t know as well.

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Scott Grenerth: So that’s a huge problem.

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Scott Grenerth: I will never forget the infamous words from a very nice person who I met personally really like her personally, but former FMCSA director and Farrow one half the hours of service here, and she said, truckers just need to plan better, and that is stuck in my craw for the rest of my life because you try and plan. But still, we obviously can’t throw that out the window. You still do need to plan clearly.

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Scott Grenerth: Yes, exactly. And traffic is, that’s nothing compared to the shippers and receivers. So more about that little bit later as we wrap things up

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Scott Grenerth: so, and then the no crystal ball on the dashboard, the truck, my international 9,200i that I bought, I promise you there was no crystal ball in that dashboard, you know, in your load planning rooms there, your dispatchers, or those folks. They don’t have one either. So that all makes it difficult. Next.

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Scott Grenerth: So when we look at how these that domino effect adds up, it adds up in a lot of ways. But one of those for sure that impacts clearly is right here.

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Scott Grenerth: ATRI, the American Transportation Research Institute.

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Scott Grenerth: They hatchers keep diary of their parking experiences and looking at figuring out, what’s the loss? Time here? Where we losing in revenue? How much stress are we causing a driver? I mean again, figure out this is monetary, and that you can clearly see. And there’s a stress that’s invisible until you start losing drivers at least where the camp that figure came out. Here is an average of 56 min of revenue time and again, or stress time. However, you wanna look at that

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Scott Grenerth: sacrifice by drivers daily, and that comes into a total about 9,300 revenue earning miles per year. So whether that drivers getting paid by the out mile a percentage of the load. However, you’re doing it that still equates to lost wages. And again, a tremendous amount of stress out there. And I know drivers who have absolutely left the industry, good people. They had all the skills

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Scott Grenerth: they just couldn’t handle this? Could I handle telling their loved one. I and I’ve been there. I missed my wife’s surprise birthday party that I planned for her several years ago because of this situation getting caught up in the day of loads not being in that case, it was being getting loaded anywhere near on time, and I left that carrier. Bye, bye, and boy, am I glad I ever did

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Scott Grenerth: so. And again it comes from the ATRI study there the next.

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Scott Grenerth: So, looking at this, there’s a couple of things in here. I want to focus on one thing at the moment. That’s the the personal side of this.

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Scott Grenerth: and I hope you all are familiar with and keeping on touch what’s going on out there? And if for Jason’s law but just as a quick reminder, and to introduce you to another person who’s more personal to me.

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Scott Grenerth: Jason Rivenburg, was murdered in 2009 when he arrived early for an appointment with a load of milk in South Carolina.

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Scott Grenerth: right in the corridor that I used to drive through all the time.

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Scott Grenerth: and they turned them away and said, Nope, you’re not allowed on the property in here. You can’t park here and take a nap while while you’re waiting for the next person to get ahead of you. You gotta go somewhere else.

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Scott Grenerth: Well, that area does not have a lot of truck parking nearby, and he would have had to have gone quite a ways further way to get to a proper legal parking spot, so he parked a spot where many people had parked before him, and while he was sitting there sleeping, he was murdered for a handful of money that he had in his pocket, and that left his spouse, Hope Rivenburg, as a widow, pregnant with 2 children.

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Scott Grenerth: so, and thankfully Hope advocated for truck parking wonderfully worked with some other people. That’s right, woods. Other people, real women and trucking group

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Scott Grenerth: to get information gathered.

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Scott Grenerth: Representative, Paul Tonko, got the Jason’s law passed through Congress.

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Scott Grenerth: but all that did all Jason’s law specifically laid out is that for the first time ever and I don’t want it this way. You know what this is but our dimensionship. But for the first time ever they would study truck parking at the Federal level. So the Federal Highway Administration took that over. As Steve mentioned my bio intro. There I got. I was involved right from that point many times forward, going forward.

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Scott Grenerth: Arkansas, interestingly enough, was the one only state that was doing a regular inventory of their truck parking. The only State that did that, and I know one of the guys from RDOT who used to do that all the time he now works for Trb, so let’s pass forward real quickly. Michael Bogle, in 2014,

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Scott Grenerth: in Kentucky, heading up to Detroit, Michigan, and got up there early for his delivery and went to get on site, and they would not let him on there. So he parked just right around the corner. I mean, literally a stone’s throw from the guard check.

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Scott Grenerth: There’s actually pretty good amount of light coming from that. The the facility there from fists and crop connect metals next slide.

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Scott Grenerth: Oh, sorry! It’s another one was go ahead next slide again.

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Scott Grenerth: and next

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Scott Grenerth: there we go. So Michael, unfortunately, you can see the result to what happened with his truck there in the bottom. Right? He was shot, and in his truck burned down with him inside.

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Scott Grenerth: And on June twenty-seventh. And this was right after I started working at OOIDA, the Owner Operator Independent Drivers Association. and so I was flying back to Ohio, view the Detroit airport next slide

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Scott Grenerth: and the just a few days later, you can see in the bottom. July third, the date it took these pictures. I went to that site because I mean a lot to me, because I personally delivered exact same load

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Scott Grenerth: probably

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Scott Grenerth: 70 times. I’m going to guess next slide. And that load you can see right here on Bill Vlading fists and crop connect metals and going from Louisport, Kentucky, to Detroit, Michigan. So

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Scott Grenerth: when they say if there’s a problem here again. We’ve got multiple layers to it. Drivers know about this. They understand what the risk is. Again. That’s why you get people leaving the industry who’ve got all the skills. But they’re just saying, Hey, I cannot handle being this kind of situation.

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Scott Grenerth: So next.

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Scott Grenerth: So when we look at the threat to the driver lives. Another huge part of this, where you can put a very clear dollar amount on again, is cargo theft this was just going into delivery day weekend. Of course there’s we all know. I hope you do. If you’re if you’re gonna be successful business, you understand? At least every holiday, of course, is a key prime time for theft, because

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Scott Grenerth: but these know what’s going on. They know there’s be people who are gonna leave a trailer unattended somewhere, or tractor trailer unattended

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Scott Grenerth: doesn’t even occur then, though I had a good friend who lived in the Houston, Texas area, who parked a beautiful truck it was attribute to veterans. With a on his flatbed he had a load of roofing shingles.

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Scott Grenerth: and he left there at a spot he’d been parking for years came back, and the whole thing was gone, the whole tractor and trailer.

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Scott Grenerth: So it can. It can happen anytime. Not just over holiday weekend. Thankfully. Steve got back his beautiful truck and the load. They had just gone like a couple of exits down and ditched it off in a spot I shouldn’t say ditched it.

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Scott Grenerth: leaving it sitting upright, not in a ditch so. and he was able to just drive the truck back, and it wasn’t a but minor thing. But again.

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Scott Grenerth: you know that

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Scott Grenerth: the load is sitting there just as a target. And so if the the drive you get a driver who gets in a bad spot, gets in a pinch

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Scott Grenerth: and says, Hey, you know what? I don’t have any more to park but this dark alley right here it might not take more than 15 min from the 15 min, 5 min to walk away from that truck, and that truck can be disappearing. Or again, works for the drivers inside there, and they really want the freight that badly.

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Scott Grenerth: So those numbers add up. I talked with One of the people from the National Retail Federation several years ago. So when you think about this, just for inflation.

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Scott Grenerth: as a billion dollar plus problem every year, when you add up throughout the whole year how much freight goes dismissing on trucks out there. And we know there’s a wide variety of reasons. Part of it, though, is definitely this right here.

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Scott Grenerth: So next.

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Scott Grenerth: So let’s take a look at.

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Scott Grenerth: we know these problems are out there. We’re not alone. And knowing these problems are out there. Everybody up to Secretary Buttigieg clearly gets it in the current administration, and I think to be credit. It’s been on the radar screen for a while now at a pretty good level. And I just can say I personally heard him talk about it, and and the staff underneath the whole US DOT clearly gets state DOTs get it?

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Scott Grenerth: Obviously, there’s gonna be a little bit of variance there. But so what’s been done and what is underway. So next

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Scott Grenerth: one thing I just don’t wanna ever glance over, because we need to remember this and keep this in mind, especially as you can be advocates out there for things happening.

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Scott Grenerth: Do you remember, during the throes of Covid happening

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Scott Grenerth: when everything was going into lockdown and we had

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Scott Grenerth: restaurants closed down

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Scott Grenerth: that many, many, many truck stops out there

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Scott Grenerth: closed down all their food operations. They weren’t. We weren’t sure yet how this thing was spreading, so they didn’t want people touching stuff, so it was literally even hard for my friends out there, literally to get a cup of coffee. I’m sure you all heard stories about this, too, from your drivers.

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Scott Grenerth: So just don’t miss the fact that the Federal Highway Administration took a week politically followful step and said, Hey, we’re going to allow food trucks in rest areas

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Scott Grenerth: because there is a prohibition on commercial activity within the main line of the interstate highway. In other words, rest areas. Once you get off, you can do whatever you want.

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Scott Grenerth: But if you’re within the right of way of an air state, no commercial activity.

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Scott Grenerth: And just to put it bluntly, is Nat. So the National Association of Truck stop operators hugely opposed that because they see it as a threat to people not wanting to go off the highway and spend money at a a private enterprise at a at a Loves, Ta Petro, Mom, and Pop Place, wherever you may be.

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Scott Grenerth: So did a great job by helping out in that regard there and just something to keep in mind as we look at what could be potential solutions. Could there be public private partnerships? That can be one way of the many ways of attacking the truck parking issue?

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Scott Grenerth: So next.

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Scott Grenerth: so when it comes to finding availability

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Scott Grenerth: and avoiding places where there’s no capacity, and those are both

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Scott Grenerth: really important. And I want to stress that because I’ve heard some drivers

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Scott Grenerth: who, bless their hearts, might be a little bit into the complaining mode and find complaining real easy to say, yeah, that sign says there’s no truck parking there. That doesn’t help me one bit.

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Scott Grenerth: and I know that’s an easy thing to say. But with one more second of thought you go wait a minute

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Scott Grenerth: if I don’t waste my time

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Scott Grenerth: and get into the liability risk. That is, a rest area

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Scott Grenerth: or a especially especially a truck, stop

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Scott Grenerth: for no good reason if I avoid going in there, because I know there’s nothing available.

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Scott Grenerth: That’s not your ideal outcome, but it’s way better than going in there wasting your time, or risking having some not very well trained driver backing up into your truck as you’re trying to get through. So I want to point that out very clearly that when we talk about looking for available parking spaces.

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Scott Grenerth: seeing a unassigned is never the ideal, but it also helps you avoid potential risks

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Scott Grenerth: with no chance of reward.

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Scott Grenerth: So but let’s get back to this here. So the Eastern Transportation Coalition.

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Scott Grenerth: which is the 17 States, and, as you can tell mainly the Eastern us there. They asked. Drivers. Hey, you know, would you take advantage of opportunity to know if there was real time? Info? Yes, absolutely. They want to know that

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Scott Grenerth: California commissioned a study a while back, asking drivers directly, have if they went out to the truck stops and shippers and receivers and asked them, if you have up to up to the minute information about parking areas, would you use it? Then? Heck! Yes, is the answer.

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Scott Grenerth: And actually, this answer go. This study went back

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Scott Grenerth: several years. So the availability of multiple ways of getting information in the cab you want the trucks part being able to pull out your phone, a tablet and ELD device. Whatever could transmit that during safe conditions to read it, or, of course, roadside signage

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Scott Grenerth: wasn’t quite as developed as it is now, so I’m sure the answer would be even higher, plus the fact that drivers are of a generation every day that it’s younger next.

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Scott Grenerth: so they can share it with their drivers. And I know that because our company is personally involved with doing that. You know, this is one of the things we do is we create these

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Scott Grenerth: this is every one of those dots is where there’s a current system here throughout the US. With the exception of Florida. Just that I left Florida off because they’re by themselves, and unfortunately they don’t share the information freely. And by that I mean outside the State lines, freely. But all these others you can get it

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Scott Grenerth: the feed of information from each State individually, which that’s another slide to come. But again, clearly, there are gaps. So as we look at these truck parking information system, I want to give you a real quick.

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Scott Grenerth: What they do, how they work! Just so you’re aware. And again, you can be advocates when it comes to state duties to for solutions. So next.

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Scott Grenerth: so on the right is an image of one of our sites in Iowa, where we have a multiple sites instrument there and rest areas, waste stations and multiple public private private truck stops even a Casino.

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Scott Grenerth: And this is the system that we install for Iowa what they wanted, and they want to use pucks, which I’ll show you in a second what actually look like. But these are sensors that go in the ground.

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Scott Grenerth: This thing is in the ground, and our 80,000 pound trucks are driving over these things in the ground. Yeah, you could see from Florida, DOT. That use pucks as well.

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Scott Grenerth: In 30 days 10% of them had failed.

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Scott Grenerth: Go another 30 days. Another 10% failed. So all these spots are basically not working. You could see at the bottom and the key. There, it says the orange ones are the ones that are not responding. So it’s not the greatest way of doing it. It was simply the first way of doing it early on next slide.

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Scott Grenerth: Oh, and I owe you, as you could see. You don’t need to go back, but you could see in there also a note. Iowa Dot. I’m glad to say it’s gonna go with a modern sensor that’s coming up in a few seconds. So there is an image of one of those pucks or magnetometers either. Call Pucks because it does look like a hockey, Puck, just

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Scott Grenerth: is another trick to it, and then put the epoxy over it, and hope it’ll last so. But again, they’re not the best, and all they can tell you is there’s a hunk and metal above, but that’s again very inexpensive upfront lot of states to that next.

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Scott Grenerth: And then we go video analytics. So now, hey, we’re not driving over the thing with a semi. That’s an advancement that’s good and video analytics. As I’m sure you’re aware just broadly, that technology is very. It can be very good. The

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Scott Grenerth: the weather is not always good. And when you have things falling in front of a video camera that tends to mess things up unless you get an even more and more and more expensive camera. And by, at some point, you’re like, you know what? Maybe there’s a better answer. So we’ll go to the next one

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Scott Grenerth: and quickly wrap this up with. And again, to just be clear for you. This is the company I work for truck specialized information services, a product that we have. So on the right hand side there, that is a thing that’s really not much bigger than this smartphone I’m holding up. It’s a little bit thicker, slightly larger

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Scott Grenerth: And obviously again, you’re not driving over it. And because it’s radar based, it works in all weather, and it also can give you information, the size and speed of objects very clearly, and it’s something just again to give you an idea of it. We are getting it installed in Iowa, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Kansas, turnpike in the Denver International Airport, and those are all within, like the last

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Scott Grenerth: 2 to 3 months, that things that we wanted to get it installed there. So I’m just simply saying, Make sure state DOTs know there are options available out there, you know. There. There may be somebody else who comes up with something better tomorrow, and that’s fine, but you know, at least let them know there’s things out there that they should be looking into when it comes to systems to make sure they really work.

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Scott Grenerth: And it. They give good, accurate data because of the Denver airport when we installed our sensors there, they told us, I’m sorry they’re not working. I’m really sorry, but the numbers aren’t agreeing with our old system

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Scott Grenerth: turned out their old system was the one that was broke, did not know it until they had sensors that really worked. And then they’re like, Oh, we definitely want to buy your sensors now, or we’ve got like 20 something sensors set up to monitor their traffic there, cause it doesn’t. You can’t. It’s useful, for one does truck parking.

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Scott Grenerth: So why are we doing this? Why are we spending this money? That was my fuel tax dollars at work to put in the very first system in the country, because that very first system at which, by the way, we installed that in Michigan, went, live in 2014,

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Scott Grenerth: and I was paying fuel taxes galore to Michigan all the time. My, if the miles and so my money went to that system, I wanna make sure it works. But it’s still a lot of money you wanna make sure it’s spent well. Well, the reason we’re doing this obviously is because you all, I’m sure, are well aware of what happened in Illinois on I 70. I actually

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Scott Grenerth: drove through to the day after this happened. I had been over in St. Louis, visiting a friend, and went right back by the next day. and of the tragedy of the Greyhound bus hitting, we all know this has happened way too many times, hitting the back of the truck parked on the shoulder.

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Scott Grenerth: because you all know it, and I’m glad to say, by the way, I mean, you never want this to happen. But as far as what happens afterward.

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Scott Grenerth: one positive I’ve seen there have been a lot of media accounts that I’ve come come across that accurately reported what happened

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Scott Grenerth: and put it in the proper context of saying, Yeah, these drivers didn’t have a choice. You know. They’re they’re stuck in a spot. Oh, right sure, they could just connect gone into St. Louis and have found parking right

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Scott Grenerth: sure not gonna happen no way. East St. Louis, that whole area. It just it’s clogged like nothing. I hauled a lot of steel, a lot of aluminum into St. Louis and steel out of St. Louis today and still go back to the friends there.

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Scott Grenerth: good media accounts, good reporting and about it, and from local media outlets, including talking to Representative Boost, who sponsored the bill to create new truck parking capacity cause. That is, actually, I think it’s just a hair outside of his district. It’s right next door to it. So I think that helped in this regard again to turn a horrible situation as something better.

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Scott Grenerth: So obviously parking on the side of the road on the shoulder is something that is, to put it mildly, is the wording I chose a dangerous scenario. Gosh!

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Scott Grenerth: I’m not kidding. I could probably count on 2 hands a number of times I did that, and one of them was the first one was when I was in Fort Wayne, Indiana.

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Scott Grenerth: We know it’s bad, roads were getting flooded. There was literally like nowhere to go. It was torrential rain, and everything on the CD. Was, yeah. US 33 is shut down 20 miles down US 2224 shutdown that way, on and on. So I had to park on the shoulder.

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Scott Grenerth: and that was, that’s one of the very few times I ever did it, because it is tremendously risky. And then liability comes into play. And I, the one thing that’s gonna be interesting with this is. And NTSB is investigating as they should.

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Scott Grenerth: You may remember, if you’ve been in the industry industry. For a while

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Scott Grenerth: and but NTSB  Had a situation just like this, where a bus smashed in the back of trucks. And then they said, Now you need to be X number of feet, which I don’t know what the number is. Exactly. But I wanna say it’s probably almost 50 feet off on those pull off areas behind the yellow line they painted in order to Legally Park on the Pennsylvania turnpike. So they lost hundreds of truck parking spaces along there. Because of that.

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Scott Grenerth: the potential for a catastrophic accident. I’ll admit I’m glad I didn’t have to make that call. So okay, next slide.

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Scott Grenerth: So as we look at doing this, I mentioned earlier incomplete network. This gives you a little bit better. Visualization. Interstate 10 corridor from Texas to California. They went together with a pool fund, got funding to put in a truck parking information system

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Scott Grenerth: it could move a little faster in Texas. I’ll leave it at that, said we’re we’re eager to get it put in. We just need things to happen on the Texas side New Mexico, Arizona, California. Again.

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Scott Grenerth: Their other quarters are looking at doing that, too, and then you can see in the light blue are the quarters that are existing today, and we are looking at saying, Hey, what? Where else can this be done? Ports, port crossings, other things like that, too. And so the in the keynote on the right hand side.

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Scott Grenerth: overwhelmingly have not included private truck stops Michigan, where we got the contract and delivered it in Iowa, where we got the contract and delivered it.

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Scott Grenerth: Do have an abundance of private truck stops as part of it. My home State of Ohio.

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Scott Grenerth: Nope. The the last state I’m sitting in right now. Kentucky. Nope, there’s one actually, I’ll give him credit to go one. It’s only one and, as you all know, talking to your drivers

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Scott Grenerth: don’t want them coming into the office kinda reeking they want they would learn to have a shower when they show up. They want showered and nice at the customers. So, including private truck stops per network is important, and at the very bottom, on the left and the right you’ll see it says not enough inventory

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Scott Grenerth: Definitely. We’ve gotta attack this from both sides. They need the truckers need to know what’s available out there, and there needs to be more capacity out available next.

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Scott Grenerth: So just I kind of hit all these things here already. So I’ll just skip this in a second. Just you know, this is things that we’ve learned from our interaction, you know, including private truck stops having the states talk with each other, but then they need to act for pursue all the funding options for that in a bit. So yeah, next slide.

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Scott Grenerth: And when I talk about funding.

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Scott Grenerth: I’m glad to tell you there’s funding. This is a memorandum from the US DOT jointly issued by the Federal Highway Administration, and some of you may be surprised. FMCSA, a Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration.

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Scott Grenerth: So FHWA go with my little bullet point on the left. There in that box FHWA. Has 14 silos of money, different

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Scott Grenerth: areas of funding that are eligible to be used for truck parking projects to create capacity out there all kind, any effort you could go at it with basically or real time truck parking information systems or combination of 2.

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Scott Grenerth: this, you could say, Hey, you know what we want to get that funding from FMCSA. And not take away money from the roads and bridges funding. So again, bottom line, there’s a lot of options for states to spend money next slide.

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Scott Grenerth: So my home state of Ohio, I’m glad to tell you they are going after this, and I forget the statuses I need to check on it. But this 2.5 million in raise grant funding to conduct a truck parking study. Well, okay, you tell me a truck parking study?

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Scott Grenerth: Yeah. My eyeballs are back there in my head, rolling way back. Yes, because we all heard about it, as Mark mentioned way too many times.

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Scott Grenerth: But the good thing is, you see, underlined in there. It’ll lead to the development of 10 parking sites, and they’re specifically looking at the proverbial low hanging fruit property they already own abandoned rest areas, way stations, excess land parcels and adjust adjacent to private truck stops

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Scott Grenerth: so and I’ll tell you, I’ll do. We’re in Ohio here for this one thing.

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Scott Grenerth: Okay, eyeballs in the back of the head again. Some little old truck. Okay. I’m not little on 6 feet 9, just tall, some really tall trucker pulled them. Oh, way over a decade ago. I gotta think about what year it was at some point. It might have been even 13 years ago that they should take that old way station on Interstate 77, and convert to truck parking.

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Scott Grenerth: It’s last year they finally did it, but I’m glad they did it, and they did it on their 676 as well, and on 71 as well, and they’re doing it right by my house, actually, just between Toledo and where I live on. I 75. They knock down the old way station. It’s gonna become chart parking. So there are places out there. So

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Scott Grenerth: you who live out there in any of the other States, not Ohio. Tell them, go look at what Ohio’s done as an example, or Missouri, where they’ve converted areas in the truck parking very low. Cost.

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Scott Grenerth: It’s simple. They’re not building to use my former boss at. Oh, I to his words.

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Scott Grenerth: trash can, lighting. And we’re doing real well, absolutely. So that’s what they’ve done in Ohio. Restroom, trash can, lighting. Was there a restroom, trash can, lighting. So that’s it. Next slide.

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Scott Grenerth: So let’s look at some solutions for capacity expansion. So I mentioned in Ohio. This is what they’re already looking at here former way stations, former rest areas converting into truck parking only because cars don’t need it nearly as badly. I mean it really definitely not

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Scott Grenerth: In former construction sites.

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Scott Grenerth: free opportunities. Our company’s got money. We can come in. Be a partner on these. We’re working with the State of Utah on that right now. So

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Scott Grenerth: excess capacity. And then the other thing is this convolve you exerting excess capacity. You may have a new additional revenue, so we’ll get that in a bit next slide.

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Scott Grenerth: could we? How many more spots can we add? And the answer is a lot. Next one

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Scott Grenerth: Maybe 7. Now I wanna say they did a beautiful rest area in the middle there, and I can. Everybody I’ve like, asked any any ever seen an accident ever heard of an Exeter? No, I think they, when done well, they do just fine. So okay, next one.

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Scott Grenerth: So, so states are looking at alternatives. And there’s an example. That’s the key part there for those 3 slides.

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Scott Grenerth: So one other concept that’s been talked about the chart parking coalition meetings with FHWA and I brought this up with private industry and I’m gonna work at it till it happens, and I think we might have the partner to be able to do this. But it’s kind of plotting along, unfortunately

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Scott Grenerth: or the 50 gazillionth in one cause. They’re probably already at 50 gazillion create a truck parking hub within this area that that way. People who whoever’s coming to the warehouse, whoever’s coming to that factory?

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Scott Grenerth: Who’s ever coming to that trailer storage yard there, where they may need to pick up to the some seasonal produce business.

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Scott Grenerth: somebody who just moved in last mile. Whatever is in this industrial warehouse area that this is a shared parking area.

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Scott Grenerth: and it’s a thing that would succeed brilliantly, because you can get a company like ours to run this. We do truck parking. Our found of our company has run off facility up in Detroit, Michigan, for many years. Perfectly, wonderfully well, so that’s my dream idea. And it’s been done in Canada with the Canadian Railroad up there, actually, where they did this for a few different sites, and it works beautifully, so I don’t know why it doesn’t take off. But that’s out there next.

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Scott Grenerth: I call it the truck parking tax.

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Scott Grenerth: So this is the way I again, when I talked earlier about how I see things when I have my own truck and trailer, and I could 100%, I was leased to a carrier, but 100%,

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Scott Grenerth: So when they said, Stop, we gotta load, go into, insert whatever city state I would go. Hmm. Okay. Alright.

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Scott Grenerth: I know my brains tell me what it’s like going there all right. What else have you got? Okay? Got this log going on going over that way?

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Scott Grenerth: Hmm, alright. Let’s use this example. If it was Atlanta.

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Scott Grenerth: And I said, Okay, when is it gonna have to deliver? And they said, No, like 9 0’clock in the morning on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, you keep what I’m getting at

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Scott Grenerth: the Google when I took this screenshot, pardon me if I laugh really loudly here, sure an hour and 40 min, you know. Darn well, I mean, even if you live. And I saw a few of you logging in from Kansas, whatever you all know, it’s gonna be up to Marietta solid red in the morning. Google was really optimistic on this. So that’s why, say, 55 miles is the length. But it’s untold amount of traffic delays.

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Scott Grenerth: And why am I parking up there in a Ta in Cartersville? That’s the last spot

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Scott Grenerth: there’s a Ta, and there’s, I think, a Loves near there and a pilot as well, and a rest area. But they’re all way up there, and if you’re delivering to the Fulton Industrial Corridor, which is the destination I put in down there

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Scott Grenerth: why call us a truck parking tax? Let’s go back to that scenario, they said, Scott, we got this load or that load.

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Scott Grenerth: If this load was going to Atlanta, and had delivered 9100’clock in the morning on a weekday.

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Scott Grenerth: and this load was going to some spot that I, you know, had no problem. Finding a place to park at and not deal with congestion.

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Scott Grenerth: sure I’m not gonna touch that one. I’m taking that one, including getting the next load out. Of course.

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Scott Grenerth: I pulled those loads for 200, even 250 bucks more multiple times down to places. I hated going because I wasn’t gonna touch it without that. And so I want you to think about terms that emissions, anger, frustration, lost productivity. Just

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Scott Grenerth: flexibility on when we’re gonna deliver. If we’re going to that spot so we can get in there late at night or in the morning, or just simply say, No, it’s you all are creating a bad thing for us here. So next.

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Scott Grenerth: and then along the same lines of thinking about how much is it gonna cost me? Do these things? truck parking, reserve truck parking through the major chains is, I can honestly gonna say it’s because of me.

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Scott Grenerth: When I was still an active driver I got the chance to meet. I don’t. As you could probably tell already about me. I’m not gonna pass up chances to do things cause I wanna do things. I got the chance to meet the whole leadership of Ta Petro.

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Scott Grenerth: and they had an open house event said we want to hear truckers thoughts, and I went in, and they really meant it. They really did back when Tom O’Brien was leadership.

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Scott Grenerth: and I sat next to him, and we hit it off wonderfully, and I told him the spot here in this picture that Florence, Kentucky. The Ta Said man, if you all would

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Scott Grenerth: months later our calls me on phone. Hey, Scott, we did it like you did what?

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Scott Grenerth: I was one of their first customers that very first week at the very first location they ever had. And the reason I went there is because what it says at the top

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Scott Grenerth: I knew if I got parked there I was in the right spot, going southbound the next morning on the other side of the Cincinnati traffic.

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Scott Grenerth: I did not want to start my day out in absolute gridlock and frustration. I’d much rather spend a few bucks.

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Scott Grenerth: I made more money because of that. So just think about that. And I encourage you. Think about because more and more carriers. I just literally this

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Scott Grenerth: this week had another good friend of mine who drives for a carrier. Say, yeah, my carrier now pays for truck parking. No problem I just, I need just make, not as long as we’ll do it every single day. So so keep that in mind. Okay, next.

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Scott Grenerth: as we’re getting toward the end here. So looking at multiple strategies that can be done. So can you work out as a carrier

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Scott Grenerth: an agreement to say, Hey, can we park at a customer. In my 2 examples there Lowes when they

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Scott Grenerth: pardon me for saying new hours of service. I just said new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, new, version. Whatever ago when the new hours of service came out implementing the 14 hour clock. There you go. That’s the way putting it.

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Scott Grenerth: The carrier I was with at the time, worked out in agreement with Lowes and said, Hey.

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Scott Grenerth: we’re moving to 100% drop-in hook. It ended up. There were 2 stores we had to still do live and load, but that was 2 out of many of them, and they did a good job, too.

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Scott Grenerth: and we were allowed to park at the customer so we could go in there, drop and hook a trailer and go to sleep at the dock. No problem, or wherever you know, off out of the way.

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Scott Grenerth: and because we were out of anybody anybody else’s way at the dock because the trailer stayed Kriska, the Canadian carrier.

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Scott Grenerth: They worked out a deal with Unilever because Unilever kept telling was asked them, why don’t you wanna haul our loads. We’re offering you money. And they said, It’s because

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Scott Grenerth: nobody wants to go to your horrible place there near horrible location, I should say, near Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. They ended up offering a way for them to allow drivers to park at the facility. Talk to your customers is what I’m saying. See what you can arrange with them to be able Park there. They will understand in some cases. Yep, I know there are some that won’t. I don’t know it.

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Scott Grenerth: Regarding the real time truck parking information systems. Make sure your drivers and your support staff are aware of those. Yep, it’s really frustrating that every State is on a separate system, their 5 on one website app whatever.

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Scott Grenerth: When we come out with our website with truck parking, we’re partnering with someone to have thousands of spaces across the country with secure parking. It’s gonna include all of the TPIMS systems as well on our app. So there will be one spot where you can see them all together. So I’m really looking forward to that. So next.

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Scott Grenerth: find reservable parking solutions. So we’re. I’m kind of working this way from free down to what might cost me something, but it still has return. So a reservable spot, though I encourage you. There have been a lot of places popping up lately

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Scott Grenerth: that are like the Airbnb of truck parking, and hey.

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Scott Grenerth: What? We looked at the very beginning, what can happen to your driver? What can happen to your load those kind of things. So there is value in a secure

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Scott Grenerth: this goes back to Ann Farrow, and again, just you know her to say, well, just plan better. It was really. Comment, boy, was it one of the worst in trucking history? But when you can

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Scott Grenerth: what you do that day, what your driver is able to do, utilize those 11 – 14 hours as much as you can or maximize the next day by having you in the best possible spot to begin that next day, like I used in my example of coming south for Cincinnati and going.

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Scott Grenerth: I’m not gonna have to deal with that in the morning or stop and getting into downtown Nashville the Ta right there. I park there all the time, because in the morning you wake up. Everybody’s coming into Nashville, and you’re the one leaving.

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Scott Grenerth: and you can’t fix everything. Trucking is gonna be stressful, no matter what. But just say, what can we do and what should we include as cost of doing business

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Scott Grenerth: to get to a carrier like I gave that example earlier, that one over there that’s going to that spot. But I know it’s gonna suck my time out of my availability. Get me tied up in things versus that you want me to do that. Okay, here’s what’s gonna cost. So next.

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Scott Grenerth: that goes right along with this calling for customers that value the truckers time. I did not go to places that wasted my time unless they paid a lot more absolutely. Boy, I mean, I think of that one place I hit the most right away when I think of that. So and that’s where you get good truckers leaving industry. So next slide

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Scott Grenerth: and looking at you have under utilized capacity. So this is what can you do literally directly? Do you have a portion of your guard that you could maybe share with other carriers? You know

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Scott Grenerth: I’m not saying everybody needs to open up everything to everybody.

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Scott Grenerth: Don’t buy enough more than you can chew. Plain, simple.

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Scott Grenerth: Say, can we maybe have an agreement with some other company? And then they reciprocate at their terminal, so our drivers could park there they could park here. Just pick one little thing.

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Scott Grenerth: and if you can get one truck out of a truck, stop into a nice secure facility at someone’s yard.

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Scott Grenerth: Guess what that means another driver could park at that truck. Stop now. So that’s good again. I mentioned. There’s plenty of people out there. You can Google truck parking solution app, whatever. There’s plenty people out there doing that. Maybe you would be willing to do that. Maybe you’ve got a spot

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Scott Grenerth: you feel comfortable, doing something more open to everybody. You could potentially do that if you’ve got space. So next slide will give you an example of one of these things. Now, I don’t know what’s up with Google Satellite, they what they they took this picture what year it was. But this is Garner Trucking in Finley, Ohio carrier that was affiliated with for many, many years good people there, and

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Scott Grenerth: on the top right excuse me, on the right source for the bottom. There you could see the huge retention pond, and where the trailers are parked. There, that’s where the loaded and empty trailers for Garner are parked that whole rest of it. There

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Scott Grenerth: we really not meeting as much as we used to. They used to be larger. They downsized and got they got the right size. They’ll put it that way. So they now rent the rest of that off for trailer parking and for parking for other customers that come in there. So they were able to do that. They’re in a great spot for it. Kenny rode 13, I 75.

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Scott Grenerth: Access from the north or the South real easy. So there’s just one real quick example that I know of personally. There. Next slide

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Scott Grenerth: I got wrapped up, I thought, being somebody now so recap. Here we are. Recap. Yes, good, for at the end live. We’ve got lives and commodities at risk.

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Scott Grenerth: There have been efforts to address the issue both real time chart parking information being shared and expanding the spaces that are out there at the capacity which we do need both absolutely to reiterate that.

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Scott Grenerth: Keep the pressure on the States. You all are well connected. They know you are economic engines, for where you’re at

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Scott Grenerth: I really hope you have the phone number of your representative at the

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Scott Grenerth: Staffer who specifically is assigned transportation. Let me reiterate that because it’s super important, because I know maybe some of you out there listening might be able to get right to representative. That’s super awesome. You deserve the great for doing that. But

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Scott Grenerth: really the staffer that works on transportation to who you want to talk with, because they’re the ones that do the majority of the legwork and say, Hey, I got this idea from one of the constituents. I looked it up. It’s good info. Here’s the statistics they gave me from ATRI, and you know these other organizations that are credible.

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Scott Grenerth: So keep the pressure on for them to do things and to do it right. Do it well, that’s your field tax dollars at work, too.

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Scott Grenerth: Use all the options we talked about to avoid those dangerous situations and retain good drivers and see, hey maybe can I be part of the solution. Maybe just in one little way here I can do something. So next slide.

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Scott Grenerth: So you want your drivers waking up with, if you like that I had one more, and that’s the you saw the front of my truck order. That’s the back that’s in a Petro in New York nice huge parking lot, because it’s right by landfill, but thankfully didn’t smell and hey, how hopefully that’s what your drivers can wake up to rest or relax. Nice, quiet, beautiful sunrise in the morning load safe, they’re safe, and next slide.

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Scott Grenerth: and there is my contact info again. So if you have any questions. You’ll wanna chat further about any of these things. I’ll do what I’ve got the bandwidth, for. I’m glad when Steve got a hold of me now. This is a good week to do this, but I’m always glad to help. However, I can, and and maybe a couple of monthsish down the road. We’ll have that open spot

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Scott Grenerth: open for business, and have access to some more truck parking locations. So with that turn back. Or Steve, Mark, you guys, for questions, comments, all that good stuff.

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Steve Kessler: Great Scott! Thank you very much. There’s a lot of really good information there. We do have a few questions we try to wrap this up in an hour. So

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Steve Kessler: first question here is, and it has to do with

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Steve Kessler: places that allow you to make a reservation. What happens if I make a reservation and there’s a truck parked in my spot?

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Scott Grenerth: then they’re done that. Yes, absolutely at the place where I showed you the picture earlier, actually. And so

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Scott Grenerth: yeah, Petro.

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Scott Grenerth: in my personal experience, and through my good friends who are still out there, they will go out there and say, Hey, you know, the driver just needs to let them know. Hey, this happened. I’ve got a reservation, and they would take send people out there, and when they’re make the reservation they’ve got the info in the trucks out there, and they could go along and look and say, Okay, here’s somebody who doesn’t have a reservation find a spot? So they usually will take care of that and rectify it.

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Scott Grenerth: 2 weeks ago, someone who I know very well had that happen, and they just threw their hands up in the air. Unfortunately, at that truck stop. And that was the Ta Petro who again, historically, I have very good thoughts toward so, but I think really, in the majority of cases they will work with the driver to try and rectify that.

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Steve Kessler: That’s good. That’s good to know.

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Steve Kessler: By the way, if it’s I’m sorry, Steve, if it’s a secure facility isn’t gonna happen

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Scott Grenerth: because there’s a gatekeeping you from getting in without the credentials. Another reason why looking for secure facilities is key

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Steve Kessler: absolutely

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Steve Kessler: somebody is asking a question. I think it kind of relates to you directly. Do you have fleet programs? In other words, where the carrier picks up the cost as a benefit to the driver.

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Steve Kessler: That will do that absolutely, positively. There are many of them out there, and they will do that because they see that value, and I think not. Coincidentally.

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Scott Grenerth: the people I know who are with those fleets.

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Scott Grenerth: They didn’t start that fleet last week last year, 2 years, 3 years they’ve been there for years, and they’re happy because that’s not the only thing they’re doing. They’re really showing they’re they’re the fleets that are getting these look telling customers. Hey? You hold up our drivers. You mess up their lives, you know, make it stressful for them. We don’t wanna do business with you till you fix it, cause you can fix it, it can be done. Look at everybody else who’s doing it right and included in that. Yes, is

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Scott Grenerth: Either reimbursing the driver, or letting them use their combat, or EFS card, or whatever method it was acceptable. And hey, if you see someone is abusing it, or unnecessarily booking reservations, address that on the individual basis. Don’t penalize every driver because I’ve heard of a few occasions like that, and I’m sure they’re out there.

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Steve Kessler: That’s a that’s great, you know. One of the things that popped into my mind is, you know, obviously, trip planning is a big part here to make sure that you’ve thought about where you’re gonna be and where you’re gonna park. How far in advance would you have to make a reservation?

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Scott Grenerth: Is that something you can do when you start your trip, and maybe it all depends. Like, if you I know, I literally have I’ve put together truck, driver focus groups for State DOT’s multiple times. And actually, multiple times for a couple of States, even because it went that well. It was a love fest between the States, caring the drivers cared, the States cared, and the State care for the drivers cared and was. It’s a good thing I love doing them.

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Scott Grenerth: I’ll never forget when the guy said, first thing I do when I wake up in the morning is, look ahead and plan out where I’m going to park for the day and potentially make a reservation.

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Scott Grenerth: But that driver does coast to coast real long haul. So his day is gonna be just driving

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Scott Grenerth: my day as a driver was a mixture, because I would sometimes take loads from that same place in Kentucky. I mentioned earlier all the way up into New York, near Syracuse. So that’s a good long day. Heading up there and then low coming back down would be a good long day, but then I might have times where I would actually drop off in multiple loads in a day. So that’s gonna all, depend. But I put it this way, Steve.

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Scott Grenerth: start making an effort right away. Yes, to at least be thinking about. That is what everybody should be doing. Again I mentioned Plan A and B. You don’t have to spend an hour at the beginning of the day coming up with it. Just spend a few months going. Okay.

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Scott Grenerth: I know what traffic’s like there and there and there

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Scott Grenerth: I should bring you up in that area and have an idea where to park. And if it’s really important. And you really think you’ve got a good clear shot getting up there. Then, yeah, say, okay, maybe I even need to make a reservation, because also

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Scott Grenerth: the truck stop. Chains have gone to on-demand pricing like Uber and Lyft.

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Scott Grenerth: where, if you make your reservation earlier in the day, the price is a little bit lower, and you make it later in day. It’s a little bit higher sometimes.

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Scott Grenerth: but that even fluctuates too.

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Steve Kessler: asking, Mark. Do. Do you have any questions, Mark? No, not really just it just certainly seems like a a great opportunity for some customized content for the clients that they can get out to their drivers immediately on, you know, apps where you can find parking and and make it a routine

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Mark Rhea: for their trip. Planning been certainly Infinit-I offers a platform, and opportunity for that customized training to

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Scott Grenerth: for your particular needs whether it’s on I 70 or I10, or I 75 or 95, or I mark that’s 5 corridor at least, to say if you’ve got corridors, you run most often, you could just say, Here’s, here’s a quick little thing here, the 501 sites for these States or their apps. There they are again. Take off a little bit. Don’t think you need to cover the whole country. Yeah.

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Steve Kessler: least make sure the the drivers know where the the spots are

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Steve Kessler: so they can make their plans.

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Steve Kessler: Yeah.

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Steve Kessler: Well, Scott, thank you so much for joining us today. We’ve kind of used up. Our hour went by really quickly. So super good information. Thank you very much all of you out there that joined us today. I hope you found the information to be useful feel free to reach out to us or to Scott. If you got further questions, I’m sure he’ll try to answer as best he could.

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Steve Kessler: So once again, Scott, thank you very much for joining us. We appreciate you and your time.

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Steve Kessler: Thank you, Mark, for for being here. And thanks everybody for joining us, and we look forward to seeing you on the next program.

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Steve Kessler: So thank you all very much, and have a good rest of the afternoon. Alright, thanks a lot. We’ll get there, won’t we? Yes, indeed, we will take care. Thank you, Scott.